Monday, January 17, 2005

the nazi prince issue

*read few times before opening your mouth*

The hottest news in town here in the UK is that a few days ago, Prince Harry, the youngest son of Prince Charles and third in line to the throne of Britain was photographed at a party wearing a nazi swastika band on his arm. That act has fueled outrage among a shit load of people. The tabloids have been raving about it for days. Jews are outraged. People are even asking him to go to Auschwitz to see first hand the atrocities there.

I take a different stand here. Everybody knows what Hitler and the Nazis did to the Jews. It doesn't matter whether the Jews were liked or hated, I think anybody with a brain can rightly agree, hated or not, nobody deserves to die like they did, or be discriminated as they were. I am not a skinhead saying that Hitler is a good man or a hero. Hitler and the Nazis were evil and what they did was wrong, no doubt about it.

Actually, the outrage is contained more in the Western world. I think that most Asians don't really bother about it. However, I can't help to wonder, why is it wrong to wear a swastika arm band? Does wearing such a symbol portray that the wearer supports the organisation? Why is it that most people are afraid of a symbol of a dead party? Are we that emotionally fragile that a symbol worn by a confused young man can cause outrage to the masses and make people freight about it? Why is it then, that people feel comfortable to dress like the Devil during Halloween fancy dress parties? Isn't the Devil the epitome of all evil?

Why is it that in Asia, people do not react that way to a Japanese Nippon flag? Yes, the Japanese did not kill 6 million people, but they did kill people nonetheless. So why is it that the slightest mention on Hitler, Nazi, swastika can upset the Western world so much? And to think that the people who did actually experience the attrocities first hand are people over the age of 65. How then is it possible for anybody younger than 65 to feel upset over something which did not affect them at all? I would understand if a war veteran or a survivor of the Holocaust gets upset when looking at that symbol as it would remind them of the pain and suffering it cost them. But for everybody else? What pain and suffering would a 20 year old or even 30 year old know about that if they were not there to experience it?

This is where I would like to stop for a second, and divert my thoughts to Harry Potter and JK Rowling. I can't help but to make a connection here. In the Harry Potter series, the wizarding world was terrorised by an evil wizard, Voldermort. He was defeated, but years after his defeat, people were still afraid to even mention his name. Rowling pokes fun at that situation all throughout the series, where people call Voldermort 'he-who-must-not-be-named'. Only Harry and his mentor Dumbledore are not afraid to talk about Voldermort and use his name freely, though much to the disgust of the other wizards. In the first book, when Harry talks to the guy selling him his magic wand, the guy told him that Voldermort used a similar wand to Harry's. 'He did great things with that wand....terrible things, but great'.

I wonder what would happen if you went around saying 'Hitler did great things....terrible things, but great'? And so, for the record, I am going to say it. I think Hitler was a great man. The thought that one man, just one man, Hitler, was able to change the course of history and have much of Europe on their knees would testify to his greatness. He was though, a sick, twisted evil fuck who deserved a much more gruesome death.

This is.....as I have always said. This is a case of people fearing something so much that they do not want to be associated with it at all. They do not want to be called supporters of the cause, and hence they feel the only way they can distance themselves from it is by 'expressing outrage' when they actually know nothing about it. Its been long established that Harry (the prince, not Potter) is quite screwed up in the head, as visits to a drug rehab clinic would show. So anyone who gets upset over the acts of a rebelious teenager (never mind prince) should have their heads checked.


You have to remember that the original story was released by The Scum. In order to sell more papers to stupid people...

The truth is nobody cares. Just like the issue with Ken Livingstone. Many people support him but of course with the Jewish lobby in London strong especially among the right wing pretend papers like Daily 'Heil Hitler' Mail, things can get sensationalised.

All my beer buddies here, Jewish, Asian, Aryans whatever, don't give a toss about what Harry and Red Ken did.

The Japs were in alliance with the Nazis - and we chinese community don't care. Who the fuck cares about something that happened 60 years ago? I don't and we Malaysians happily do business with Japanese.


Although the swastika was an ancient symbol for "good luck" in India, that is not why it was used by the monstrous Nazis. Under the Nazis it was called a "Hakenkreuz," not a "swastika."

RexCurry.net made the astounding historical discovery that the swastika was sometimes used to represent overlapping "S" letters for "socilalism" under the German National Socialists. People forget that "Nazi" means "National Socialist German Workers' Party." http://rexcurry.net/swastikanews.html It is the site that changed the way people think about the swastika.

It is also the site that made the news-breaking discovery that the straight-arm salute of the horrid National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazis) came from the USA's original pledge of allegiance in government schools (as written by a national socialist in the USA) and also from the military salute. It did not come from ancient Rome. http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html and see more photos at http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html & http://rexcurry.net/pledge_military.html The website changed the way people think about the pledge.

Some critics make the absurd argument that during the 25 year existence of the horrid Party no Nazi noticed the "S" shapes nor attached any meaning (nor anyone in the SS Division). They also ignore the fact that the Party's leader was an artist.


i couldn't care less about prince harry and the swastika. it was a costume. harry is only 21. good grief. what the hell is the big deal?

and i do agree that hitler was a great man. he would have been a german hero if he didn't go around killing millions of people for senseless reasons in heartless ways.

sometimes people just need to be outraged by trivial things so they don't need to address what's really important.


If you were in the musical, "Cabaret" and you came on stage identified as a German sailor or other military in 1931, (a "patriotic boy") what kind of salute would be appropriate? Would the straight-arm salute be appropriate? Why or why not?


I do the straight-arm salute every day, and to me it doesn't mean "Heil Hitler". It means "Oi, Mr. Bus Driver, please stop." My grandma goes to a building with a big red swastika on it and it means...Penang Buddhist Society or something.

Point being, symbols are what people make of them. Sure, they don't mean anything to most people alive today, but to some old people (WWII survivors), the SS uniform and the Nazi swastika are still very painful memories. Whereas some young people (European and US skinheads), they're still trying to revive the symbols and the evil they represented.

As a public figure Harry should have exercised more common sense...but that's clearly a skill that's missing from the British royal family.


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