Saturday, March 04, 2006
let's educate the masses
Let's have a little lesson in economics, finance, business or whatever mumbo-jumbo it is called these days. I find it very ironic that I am giving lessons in finance when I miserably failed Financial Management and Corporate Finance in university. Oh yes, they force engineers to study that crap too, you know. Labels: current issues
But fuck it, we don't need to have studied rubbish like that in university or in school to have a COMMON SENSE. Firstly, in order to spend money, that money has to come from somewhere. You idiots complain that the public transport is horrible, the education system dismal and the healthcare abysmal. However, when the goverment tries to raise money for precisely all that, you grumble to wit's end. So pray tell me, where the fuck do you expect all that money to come from? Would you prefer they raise the income tax rates, or are you praying that gold shall rain down from the heavens??
And on to more complex matters....
You question why it is not possible to raise the prices in small increments. It is of course possible, but as you all saw last year, everytime the fuel prices increased, not only did you idiots make noise all the time, prices of everything else also jumped up. This causes uncertainty because everybody - consumers, traders, investors do not know when the next hike would be.
Rule number 1 of business. Risk is bad. Nobody likes risk. Uncertainty equals risk. Therefore, the higher the risk, the higher the expected return. In other words, when there is uncertainty in, goods will be sold at a much higher price - not at all proportionate to the hike. And that is just for common traders. If you look at a bigger picture, investors do not like throwing money into an uncertain market where a sudden price hike will leave them staring at a prospect of a big loss.
Hence, by raising the prices as they did, the government could assure everybody that there would not be anymore price hikes for the whole year - thus eliminating the uncertainty in the market and the risk element that nobody likes.
You know the most ironic thing about this whole thing? When you ask most Chinese about their thoughts on the NEP, they will tell you that the Malays should stop depending on the government for help. Funny then, that those same people demand that the government continue helping them so that they can live in their nice little comfort zone of theirs.
And on to the moronic demonstration this afternoon. When I first heard of it, I sniggered to myself. Here we have a bunch of people who complain about the lack of money to buy fuel, and yet these are the same people who are free enough not to work on a weekday afternoon.
However, there was a picture I saw which pissed the fuck out of me.
This is as sickening as beggars who bring their kids along with them to beg. Look, asshole, if you choose to be a jobless leech, the least you could do is leave your kid at home and not USE her in a demonstration she knows NOTHING about. Certainly forcing her to hold a shitty banner does not score you any brownie points. Pathetic acts like these only goes to show the idiocy of the demonstrators.
What happens if the crowd suddenly goes unruly and there is a stampede? What happens if the FRU are forced to use water cannons or tear gas? Your kid gets hurt or killed, you blinking dipshit.
Post publication entry :
I think it extremely sad that a discussion about fuel hikes invariably led to government bashing and accusation of cronisms of all sorts. Of course, the racial issue just had to be brought up. Do say hello to those nice blokes at the AutoWorld forum - I particularly enjoyed a few compliments that some of them extended to me.
However, I amazed to learn that people weren't aggreived with the fuel hike. It was the government they were unhappy about. Suddenly, a discussion about the justification of the fuel hike turned into a bashing of all sorts. Apparently, my parents are government cronies because I support the hike, and I am 'rich' - because only cronies of the government get to be rich. And so, as a kind gesture to a particular recalcitrant 'adult', I would like to quote an excerpt of the wonderful book that is 'The Chinese Dilemma'. In fact, this applies to many of the whiners out there...
Yet, despite the NEP, or because of it, many Chinese have become rich beyond their wildest dreams. Yet these are some of the people who complain the loudest about discrimination. It is hard to convince the non-Malays (and I include the Indians in this designation) that in their case the NEP has not disadvantaged them. If you point out to a non-Malay top civil servant that he has done very well for himself he will say, "Ah, but I would have done even better if I were Malay." I once suggested to a non-Malay chief executive of a bank that his being Indian hadn't prevented him from reaching the top, and his answer was: "You know what I'd be doing if I were Malay? I'd be heading a bigger bank."
Do these people sincerely believe that they have been discriminated against on account of race? Or are they just saying so? I have earlier described some who have grounds for feeling genuinely disgruntled. Others find it convenient to blame discrimination rather than their own inadequacies when their achievements fall short of their aspirations. Still others are unsure, but are happy enough to fall in with the prevailing view. It is as tempting to plead an unfair disadvantage when you lose as it is to claim victory against all the odds when you win.
Quit yabbling about how the government has failed you. You aren't as POOR as you make yourself out to be. If you are reading this, you are reading it from a computer somewhere - probably with broadband. You are probably well-educated, and while you might not be rich, you certainly aren't poor. You seem to mention a lot of your sufferings - the inability to pay the bills and such, yet you are well off enough to own a computer and educated enough to know what is going on. Stop trying to make it out as if the government has failed the poor - it is your own selfish and hypocritical needs that you are clearly more concerned about.
Who are you actually kidding? The poor suffer from the price hikes!?? The 'poor' with their motorbikes and low fuel consumption? No, you are complaining because the government is 'taking' YOUR money and using it to help the poor. That is what you are really aggrieved about, isn't it?
Permalink - posted by vincent : 1:05 AM
Ramblings:
You sound like you are embedding principles of Clavin from "Calvin& Hobbes" into yourself. Isn't that cartoon a satirial way to relate the current affairs back them to the public? Maybe you should start evolving... You are relatively well-off compareed to majority of Malaysia, being able to have a car by 21. Considering that, in working life, people's lives in hours are measured by their pay per hour already. Therefore, those people who skipped work might be sacrificing few cents of their life to assure that their life will not be make harder in the future. A few cents per hour is insignificant to the dollars that can accumulate in the long term. It's not just about you.
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March 04, 2006 2:01 AM
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March 04, 2006 2:01 AM
who the fuck ever said it is about me? the money the government saves would in the long run help the hardcore poor.
listen to yourself talk. you make it seem like it is a very honourable thing to skip work and take to the streets.
listen to yourself talk. you make it seem like it is a very honourable thing to skip work and take to the streets.
You assume the government will make good use of the money.
Going by their track record, if they've never put any attention in proper public transportation they never will.
I will bet an arm and leg that they will use the money for their own selfish gains to enrich the corrupted cronies again.
They can't even see it proper to remove crazy car taxes and they can't even prevent flood problems in Shah Alam and they declared Selangor a developed state.
There're many many other issues involved. Most Malaysians are not reall y having problems with removing the fuel subsidy, it's just that Malaysians probably don't trust the government will put the saved money to good use at all.
Most will believe the money will be abused and pocketed or used to bail out companies like MAS. There's your improved 'public transportation'
Going by their track record, if they've never put any attention in proper public transportation they never will.
I will bet an arm and leg that they will use the money for their own selfish gains to enrich the corrupted cronies again.
They can't even see it proper to remove crazy car taxes and they can't even prevent flood problems in Shah Alam and they declared Selangor a developed state.
There're many many other issues involved. Most Malaysians are not reall y having problems with removing the fuel subsidy, it's just that Malaysians probably don't trust the government will put the saved money to good use at all.
Most will believe the money will be abused and pocketed or used to bail out companies like MAS. There's your improved 'public transportation'
i agree and disagree. retrospectively funds have a tendency to be misappropriated in this country and i don't think there's a need to cite any example as that would be stating the obvious. petrol prices have increased multiple times for a couple of years now, but we still haven't seen much improvement in terms of public amenities, so you can't fault ppl for feeling bitter (especially while goods get more expensive anyway and income remains stagnant). sure you can say it'll come soon, but really, when!? ppl do need more assurance than feel-good political hogwash. even with this one off increase supposedly eliminate uncertainty, it's only for a year, what if the next increase is twice as much? or thrice? delaying it till next year doesn't mean this uncertainty you're talking about doesn't exist. while im at this, let me say there wasn't protest that i know of last year while this "one off increase" has already sparked up a demonstration. "uncertainty" vs explicit protest? if u'd ask me, the government should just publish their whole plan regarding subsidies removal in black and white. i wrote similar issue here.
if government really did use the money to enrich their corrupted cronies, shadowfox might not benefit from it, but if the government really use that money to improve public transportation, health sys, etc, shadowfox will lose an arm and a leg. that's a lose-lose situation there..
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posted by :
March 04, 2006 9:12 AM
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March 04, 2006 9:12 AM
it is futile trying to have a proper debate with you government haters. the issue you guys have is not with the fuel hike, apparently you guys are unhappy with the government as a whole.
your arguments are that you THINK that the money they save MIGHT go elsewhere, when you have no inkling on what they will do with it.
in which case, you hypocrites, it isnt the hike that you are pissed offed at. you are in other words saying that you would be happy if a PAS or DAP government hiked the fuel price, even by 50 sen, because you feel they will not misappropriate the funds.
so make up your minds what you are really pissed offed at.
your arguments are that you THINK that the money they save MIGHT go elsewhere, when you have no inkling on what they will do with it.
in which case, you hypocrites, it isnt the hike that you are pissed offed at. you are in other words saying that you would be happy if a PAS or DAP government hiked the fuel price, even by 50 sen, because you feel they will not misappropriate the funds.
so make up your minds what you are really pissed offed at.
"in which case, you hypocrites, it isnt the hike that you are pissed offed at." Everyone has different feelings pertaining to the hike, be it economical or political. I dunno how hypocriticism gets pulled into this, in which case shows you have trouble considering other people's opinions. Looking at these discussions, I am not very surprised.
"you are in other words saying that you would be happy if a PAS or DAP government hiked the fuel price, even by 50 sen, because you feel they will not misappropriate the funds." That's too obvious a fallacy. Contrary to your belief, not everyone who disagrees with you is a partisan.
"so make up your minds what you are really pissed offed at." Perhaps you should tell it to yourself. Not that your commentors haven't stated what they're pissed at. People don't get pissed at a same thing WITH THE SAME reasons (reasons that may even seem unfounded). For example, I may dislike your girlishness, some may dislike your idiocy, but at the end of the day it's essentially you. Same thing with petrol price hike.
"you are in other words saying that you would be happy if a PAS or DAP government hiked the fuel price, even by 50 sen, because you feel they will not misappropriate the funds." That's too obvious a fallacy. Contrary to your belief, not everyone who disagrees with you is a partisan.
"so make up your minds what you are really pissed offed at." Perhaps you should tell it to yourself. Not that your commentors haven't stated what they're pissed at. People don't get pissed at a same thing WITH THE SAME reasons (reasons that may even seem unfounded). For example, I may dislike your girlishness, some may dislike your idiocy, but at the end of the day it's essentially you. Same thing with petrol price hike.
an engineer shall not educate ppl on economics or finance.
have a nice day ;)
have a nice day ;)
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March 04, 2006 1:12 PM
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March 04, 2006 1:12 PM
kim : You are right. I have trouble considering people's opinions - especially opinions that do not make sense. You asked me to explain why uncertainty was bad, and I did. Then both of you go on and say that they government misappropriates the funds. Like byn said, its a lose-lose situation. Whatever they do is not good enough for you. Leave the subsidies in place and not improve public ammenities and they get lambasted for not doing their job. Take away the subsidies and they get accused of cronyism and corruption!
Pray tell me what the fuck is it you want them to do???
The more I see this, I see the hypocrisy of the Chinese - those that demand that government should stop helping the Malays. The same people who said the Malays were dependant. Life's a bitch isn't it? It just bites you back in the face.
warren : Yes, and an idiot shall not comment on my blog. Have a shitty day.
Pray tell me what the fuck is it you want them to do???
The more I see this, I see the hypocrisy of the Chinese - those that demand that government should stop helping the Malays. The same people who said the Malays were dependant. Life's a bitch isn't it? It just bites you back in the face.
warren : Yes, and an idiot shall not comment on my blog. Have a shitty day.
too much pride in you, young man. now go wash your car. oops, the car you bought with your father's money ;)
have a good wanking day!
have a good wanking day!
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posted by :
March 04, 2006 4:28 PM
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March 04, 2006 4:28 PM
warren : Pride? This from someone whose nick is 'warren buffet'. Haha. Look who's talking.
Never mind whether or not my dad bought me a car. I don't remember him robbing a bank.
Never mind whether or not my dad bought me a car. I don't remember him robbing a bank.
Oh but Vincent, it does matter if your dad bought you the car or not.
Most Malaysians don't have that kind of luxury, and that's why they can feel the pinch when the 30 cents increase hit them overnight.
You can't be slamming the others when you're not really experiencing their financial burden.
Some of us have to pay rent and car loans as well, and pay taxes even.
Just because you don't feel the pinch because you ARE being subsidized by your parents, it's unfair for you to insult or accuse the others of being hypocrites or anti-govt for voicing out their displeasure/disagreement.
People are generally not as simplistic as you make them out to be. Not everyone subscribes to the lies dished out by BN and MCA and the likes.
Some of us has to fork out our own money for our own education, study part-time, and save every penny we can and we do have the right to question the motives of the govt and their actions when they do things that burden us financially.
Not everyone has rich parents to fall back on when they're in need.
Most Malaysians don't have that kind of luxury, and that's why they can feel the pinch when the 30 cents increase hit them overnight.
You can't be slamming the others when you're not really experiencing their financial burden.
Some of us have to pay rent and car loans as well, and pay taxes even.
Just because you don't feel the pinch because you ARE being subsidized by your parents, it's unfair for you to insult or accuse the others of being hypocrites or anti-govt for voicing out their displeasure/disagreement.
People are generally not as simplistic as you make them out to be. Not everyone subscribes to the lies dished out by BN and MCA and the likes.
Some of us has to fork out our own money for our own education, study part-time, and save every penny we can and we do have the right to question the motives of the govt and their actions when they do things that burden us financially.
Not everyone has rich parents to fall back on when they're in need.
Oh btw, as citizens of Malaysia, registered voters and tax payer in the country, it is imperative that one takes notice and make their voice heard in the country, whether as protests or criticism to the government. That's how a democracy should work.
I'll assume you've never voted in your life or paid taxes yet since you've just reached 21 and your salary will probably not be at a taxable level yet.
Have you registered yourself as a voter yet ?
I'll assume you've never voted in your life or paid taxes yet since you've just reached 21 and your salary will probably not be at a taxable level yet.
Have you registered yourself as a voter yet ?
dude, fuck you.
just as you rightly say that i do not understand the plight of people with 'financial burden', dont fucking speak as if you know my plight. you do not have the slightest inkling of me and my background. how did you know that i drive a spanking new car which my father bought and not a 5 year old second hand car of which i pay my dad back every month? your bitterness is distasteful, really.
democracy works by you casting the ballot during election time - not taking to the streets on a weekday afternoon, and certainly not by bring your kid daughter to a demonstration.
now, when all that is said and done, after you are done discussing my financial situation, and yours, would you like to kindly proceed back to the topic at hand?
i have presented very valid points, and you have gone on about talking about my financial status. would you also like to discuss the plight of the hardcore poor when you demand the NEP be abolished? do you know how they feel?
things are done and solutions are derived from understanding, yes, i would be the first to agree with that. however, if you try to understand the plight of everybody involved, you will never come to a solution. you asked that the government understand your situation, but have you tried understanding theirs? again, i ask, WHERE DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO GET MONEY FOR DEVELOPMENT?!!??
just as you rightly say that i do not understand the plight of people with 'financial burden', dont fucking speak as if you know my plight. you do not have the slightest inkling of me and my background. how did you know that i drive a spanking new car which my father bought and not a 5 year old second hand car of which i pay my dad back every month? your bitterness is distasteful, really.
democracy works by you casting the ballot during election time - not taking to the streets on a weekday afternoon, and certainly not by bring your kid daughter to a demonstration.
now, when all that is said and done, after you are done discussing my financial situation, and yours, would you like to kindly proceed back to the topic at hand?
i have presented very valid points, and you have gone on about talking about my financial status. would you also like to discuss the plight of the hardcore poor when you demand the NEP be abolished? do you know how they feel?
things are done and solutions are derived from understanding, yes, i would be the first to agree with that. however, if you try to understand the plight of everybody involved, you will never come to a solution. you asked that the government understand your situation, but have you tried understanding theirs? again, i ask, WHERE DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO GET MONEY FOR DEVELOPMENT?!!??
Touchy touchy. Did I hit a raw nerve ?
Now you know how it feels like to be on the receiving end?
"WHERE DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO GET MONEY FOR DEVELOPMENT?!!??"
They had all the money in the first place, what happened ? What have they done with the money in the past for 'development' ? They had decades for development, plenty of time.
You should be questioning where did all the money from Petronas and the treasury went? The government had raised a LOT of money over the decades from exhorbitant car taxes, income taxes, and other areas of the industry, such as the sale of crude oil from petronas to foreigners.
Your argument of 'where are they going to get the money' holds no water because they already had a lot of money in the first place, distributed among themselves and their cronies, and yet that is not enough, they had to further 'rob from the poor to feed the rich' with the recent events. MAS lost billions due to mismanagement and corruption. 4 billion is exactly how much it needs now and one can't help but be very suspicious of the very coincidental fuel hikes. They had so much money to build Twin Towers and other unnecessary landmarks for the purpose of ego masturbation.
"democracy works by you casting the ballot during election time - not taking to the streets on a weekday afternoon, and certainly not by bring your kid daughter to a demonstration."
Beep, wrong. If that were the case, then protests and demonstration will be illegal in developed countries as well. People protest all the time, in USA, in Britain, in Australia. Your shallow definition of 'democracy' was handed down to you by your conservative parents who're subservient to Barisan Nasional. If one has to wait every 5 years to voice displeasure, the hot issue would've died down. People power do not wait for 5 years. If there're 3 more years to election and a government starts murdering the people, do the people wait until election to vote them out? No right ?
Besides, you're nitpicking on the kid daughter thing. One should look at the bigger picture for the protests happening instead of nitpicking on non-issues.
Any sane person would've grouped together to overthrow or rebel and take up arms against any government that oppresses them and not wait until election time, because it will probably be too late by that time when people lost their loved ones. I am not saying this is the case in Malaysia, but I am saying that opportunities don't come often and so one has to make one for themselves. Besides, the friday event is just a protest. It's not like they're rioting or whatever. Your arguments sounds too typical conservative old fashioned and no longer acceptable and applicable in today's society where democracy and freedom is championed.
I think you should not talk about the NEP. Your understanding of NEP is totally off and warped. The NEP was originally for helping the so called hardcore poor Malays but it has been hijacked by the privileged few to enrich their pockets. For all you know, your parents could be MCA members aligned with those priviledged few so they dare not rock the boat less they lose their privileges.
Your parents are able to send you to UK for studies, and at those rates, it's NOT cheap, it's the most expensive option ever for further studies.
For someone who's supposedly educated overseas, you display very shallow understanding of politics and democracy.
As for the car, no matter what, a 5 year old second hand car is still no cheap matter. A 5 year old car can still cost over 30k easily. Even for a fresh grad at 21, no way one will have the money for the downpayment. I am pretty sure you don't pay rent and you live with your parents. I don't think you'll ever be able to pay back the amount of money spent on your 'education'.
You can bitch all you want, but when you display your shallowness and ignorance, and your abusive insulting behaviour to others who has eaten more salt than you and have seen more than you about things in this country, you're actually showing to everyone of your readers here just how much money has been wasted on your education.
It's probably expecting too much for a 21 year old to be mature enough to know what's really happening these days.
Don't delete your blog archives. Maybe you should be given a few years to be humbled and see for yourself the stuff you've written and posted. It's not too late to feel embarassed how you inadvertently humiliated yourself by displaying your puerile understanding of Malaysian politics.
Now you know how it feels like to be on the receiving end?
"WHERE DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO GET MONEY FOR DEVELOPMENT?!!??"
They had all the money in the first place, what happened ? What have they done with the money in the past for 'development' ? They had decades for development, plenty of time.
You should be questioning where did all the money from Petronas and the treasury went? The government had raised a LOT of money over the decades from exhorbitant car taxes, income taxes, and other areas of the industry, such as the sale of crude oil from petronas to foreigners.
Your argument of 'where are they going to get the money' holds no water because they already had a lot of money in the first place, distributed among themselves and their cronies, and yet that is not enough, they had to further 'rob from the poor to feed the rich' with the recent events. MAS lost billions due to mismanagement and corruption. 4 billion is exactly how much it needs now and one can't help but be very suspicious of the very coincidental fuel hikes. They had so much money to build Twin Towers and other unnecessary landmarks for the purpose of ego masturbation.
"democracy works by you casting the ballot during election time - not taking to the streets on a weekday afternoon, and certainly not by bring your kid daughter to a demonstration."
Beep, wrong. If that were the case, then protests and demonstration will be illegal in developed countries as well. People protest all the time, in USA, in Britain, in Australia. Your shallow definition of 'democracy' was handed down to you by your conservative parents who're subservient to Barisan Nasional. If one has to wait every 5 years to voice displeasure, the hot issue would've died down. People power do not wait for 5 years. If there're 3 more years to election and a government starts murdering the people, do the people wait until election to vote them out? No right ?
Besides, you're nitpicking on the kid daughter thing. One should look at the bigger picture for the protests happening instead of nitpicking on non-issues.
Any sane person would've grouped together to overthrow or rebel and take up arms against any government that oppresses them and not wait until election time, because it will probably be too late by that time when people lost their loved ones. I am not saying this is the case in Malaysia, but I am saying that opportunities don't come often and so one has to make one for themselves. Besides, the friday event is just a protest. It's not like they're rioting or whatever. Your arguments sounds too typical conservative old fashioned and no longer acceptable and applicable in today's society where democracy and freedom is championed.
I think you should not talk about the NEP. Your understanding of NEP is totally off and warped. The NEP was originally for helping the so called hardcore poor Malays but it has been hijacked by the privileged few to enrich their pockets. For all you know, your parents could be MCA members aligned with those priviledged few so they dare not rock the boat less they lose their privileges.
Your parents are able to send you to UK for studies, and at those rates, it's NOT cheap, it's the most expensive option ever for further studies.
For someone who's supposedly educated overseas, you display very shallow understanding of politics and democracy.
As for the car, no matter what, a 5 year old second hand car is still no cheap matter. A 5 year old car can still cost over 30k easily. Even for a fresh grad at 21, no way one will have the money for the downpayment. I am pretty sure you don't pay rent and you live with your parents. I don't think you'll ever be able to pay back the amount of money spent on your 'education'.
You can bitch all you want, but when you display your shallowness and ignorance, and your abusive insulting behaviour to others who has eaten more salt than you and have seen more than you about things in this country, you're actually showing to everyone of your readers here just how much money has been wasted on your education.
It's probably expecting too much for a 21 year old to be mature enough to know what's really happening these days.
Don't delete your blog archives. Maybe you should be given a few years to be humbled and see for yourself the stuff you've written and posted. It's not too late to feel embarassed how you inadvertently humiliated yourself by displaying your puerile understanding of Malaysian politics.
Btw, paying back car loans to daddy is not the same as paying back with interests to the bank or ahlong who could repossess your car anytime when you default, due to various issues related to finance.
Your dad shields you too much from the realities of independence.
You should try paying rent, and paying for real loans. Those creditors don't have as much patience as fathers or relatives.
Your dad shields you too much from the realities of independence.
You should try paying rent, and paying for real loans. Those creditors don't have as much patience as fathers or relatives.
You know, just when I thought I had a chance of having a nice debate, there I have it - you are talking out of your butt.
You keep talking about the Government mismanaging your funds. And then you give the example of MAS losing money. That's actually quite fucking funny, because I never knew that MAS was managed by the government.
And then you go on and on with your rrants about the government (never mind), you go on to shoot my credibility and my age, and then you go on and take a poke at my parents, and you speculate about my personal accounts. Then you go one about the NEP which you clearly know NOTHING about. You may be older than me by god knows how many eons, but believe me when I say, I know more about the NEP than ignorant people like you do.
maturity is not set by age. it is set by reason. you strayed off the topic of the fuel hike when i reasoned about it and went of to jack off at many area - even going as low as taking a poke at my parents. i think it suffice to say that we are a developing nation because of idiots like you.
You keep talking about the Government mismanaging your funds. And then you give the example of MAS losing money. That's actually quite fucking funny, because I never knew that MAS was managed by the government.
And then you go on and on with your rrants about the government (never mind), you go on to shoot my credibility and my age, and then you go on and take a poke at my parents, and you speculate about my personal accounts. Then you go one about the NEP which you clearly know NOTHING about. You may be older than me by god knows how many eons, but believe me when I say, I know more about the NEP than ignorant people like you do.
maturity is not set by age. it is set by reason. you strayed off the topic of the fuel hike when i reasoned about it and went of to jack off at many area - even going as low as taking a poke at my parents. i think it suffice to say that we are a developing nation because of idiots like you.
1. You should check the people who owns the shares of MAS. No need to elaborate much.
2. Your credibility is questioned when you presented arguments/reasons for one to do so. You don't know anything about the NEP. If you knew anything then you'll know it's no longer called the NEP but the NDP, national development policy.
3. Yes maturity is set by reason but you demonstrate neither the reason nor age for one to consider your arguments to be mature enough.
Never mind. You still have 5 more years to go for everyone else to review your content again.
2. Your credibility is questioned when you presented arguments/reasons for one to do so. You don't know anything about the NEP. If you knew anything then you'll know it's no longer called the NEP but the NDP, national development policy.
3. Yes maturity is set by reason but you demonstrate neither the reason nor age for one to consider your arguments to be mature enough.
Never mind. You still have 5 more years to go for everyone else to review your content again.
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/12/24/business/12954282&sec=business
" The Government, through various state entities, owns about 92% of MAS, which includes a 69.3% stake held indirectly by state investment agency Khazanah Nasional Bhd. "
" The Government, through various state entities, owns about 92% of MAS, which includes a 69.3% stake held indirectly by state investment agency Khazanah Nasional Bhd. "
1. thanks for quoting that article. my apologies for my ignorance in that matter. however, when you choose to quote an article - it would be good to quote in an unbiased manner.
" Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said early this month that the Government may extend monetary assistance to MAS and may consider selling down its stake, but it will not bail out the national carrier."
2. NEP, NDP. the difference??!?! you asshole are still demanding that it be abolished without understanding the demographics behind all that. have you read The Malay Dilemma? but no, I think that is a story for another day. you might want to dig up my archives. i have writen extensively on this shit before, and i certainly have no intention of repeating myself - at least not to an idiot like you.
3. this is a dead argument, because i say the same of you.
4. i thought this was an argument about fuel hikes. you have, up till now, despite my previous few chidings refused to say anymore about that matter. i think you have made it very clear that you are not opposed to the fuel hike, instead you are opposed to the government, in which is your full right, but beyond the scope of argument which i wish to discuss.
" Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said early this month that the Government may extend monetary assistance to MAS and may consider selling down its stake, but it will not bail out the national carrier."
2. NEP, NDP. the difference??!?! you asshole are still demanding that it be abolished without understanding the demographics behind all that. have you read The Malay Dilemma? but no, I think that is a story for another day. you might want to dig up my archives. i have writen extensively on this shit before, and i certainly have no intention of repeating myself - at least not to an idiot like you.
3. this is a dead argument, because i say the same of you.
4. i thought this was an argument about fuel hikes. you have, up till now, despite my previous few chidings refused to say anymore about that matter. i think you have made it very clear that you are not opposed to the fuel hike, instead you are opposed to the government, in which is your full right, but beyond the scope of argument which i wish to discuss.
1. The government was also very certain they won't do this and that but they did it anyway. You're taking their word for what they 'promise' instead of their 'track records' of breaking the promises.
The current crop of people are the same bunch who used our EPF to bail out their crony companies.
2. Funny how you're quoting Mahathir's book. It's as if his opinions are absolute and no one must question or otherwise disagree with him. Have you read the Chinese dilemma yet ?
http://www.coronetbooks.com/books/chin4619.htm
3. Childish Tantrums.
4. It's not beyond the scope when you bring in arguments that warrants discussion.
The current crop of people are the same bunch who used our EPF to bail out their crony companies.
2. Funny how you're quoting Mahathir's book. It's as if his opinions are absolute and no one must question or otherwise disagree with him. Have you read the Chinese dilemma yet ?
http://www.coronetbooks.com/books/chin4619.htm
3. Childish Tantrums.
4. It's not beyond the scope when you bring in arguments that warrants discussion.
1. it is impossible to argue with government haters on this matter. the minute they say something, people like you will pop up and say, "look they have done it before, they will do it again." whatever happened to,"lets see what they do this time before i make a judgement?"
2. you must be fucking kidding me. i read the book alright. if you dig up my archives, i mentioned 2 weeks ago that i manged to land my hands on it. in fact, i finished it last week. again, you are talking out of your butt about something you know nothing about. in most parts of the book, the author agrees with mahathirs assessment and in fact endorses the NEP and he goes on to say that it has done more good than harm. he also goes on to slam the actions of the 'dirty chinese' - people very much like yourself. i think, my friend, it is you who should read the book
3. redundant. let's move on, shall we?
4. like i said, your beef is with the government (which i dont think you disagree) and not with the fuel hike. you are using the fuel hike to voice your displeasure with the government and trying to drag me into an argument aobut the efficiency of the government which i have no intention on doing. if you still wish to debate the hike, i am all ears.
2. you must be fucking kidding me. i read the book alright. if you dig up my archives, i mentioned 2 weeks ago that i manged to land my hands on it. in fact, i finished it last week. again, you are talking out of your butt about something you know nothing about. in most parts of the book, the author agrees with mahathirs assessment and in fact endorses the NEP and he goes on to say that it has done more good than harm. he also goes on to slam the actions of the 'dirty chinese' - people very much like yourself. i think, my friend, it is you who should read the book
3. redundant. let's move on, shall we?
4. like i said, your beef is with the government (which i dont think you disagree) and not with the fuel hike. you are using the fuel hike to voice your displeasure with the government and trying to drag me into an argument aobut the efficiency of the government which i have no intention on doing. if you still wish to debate the hike, i am all ears.
1. There's a difference between government haters and corrupt government haters. You're saying you would trust the boy who cried wolf for as many times as you can after being duped for the 3rd time. I think you're either very generous with your trust or have an interest, or your parents have an interest in defending these bunch of parasites.
2. Fine, you've read the book, but 'dirty chinese' should really point to those who align themselves with the cronies who hijacked the NEP policy to their benefits. These points to the people who're directly or indirectly aligned with parties such as MCA, those who's benefited immensely at the cost of the rest of the people who expects them to defend the rights of the Chinese, and not sell them out instead.
Having beef with the government is one thing, but reading how you insult those who don't agree with you and those shallow arguments you present, and your name calling just begs for a reply.
Kid, you can argue and defend yourself for as long as you want, but there're a lot of people out there who're smart enough to call your bluff.
Time to sleep. Good Night.
2. Fine, you've read the book, but 'dirty chinese' should really point to those who align themselves with the cronies who hijacked the NEP policy to their benefits. These points to the people who're directly or indirectly aligned with parties such as MCA, those who's benefited immensely at the cost of the rest of the people who expects them to defend the rights of the Chinese, and not sell them out instead.
Having beef with the government is one thing, but reading how you insult those who don't agree with you and those shallow arguments you present, and your name calling just begs for a reply.
Kid, you can argue and defend yourself for as long as you want, but there're a lot of people out there who're smart enough to call your bluff.
Time to sleep. Good Night.
Yes, go on and read the book. you might learn a few things from it. Just as I learnt a few things from your blog filled with posts about hating the country.
Name calling? i am not the one taking potshots at your parents.
Adult, you may be 30 years old or 40 years old, but you just proved to me once again that despite my age, I have a more developed head than yours.
It's morning btw.
Name calling? i am not the one taking potshots at your parents.
Adult, you may be 30 years old or 40 years old, but you just proved to me once again that despite my age, I have a more developed head than yours.
It's morning btw.
Shadowfox- Don't you know that one should not argue with an idiot.
First you have to go down to their level. Then they will beat you with their experience.
It is very clear by now we know of a particular family that does get benefit from our government. If not, how else can you explain his arguement?.
For all rest of the common people, who are not "shutting up" here some encouragement - a poetry by Pastor Martin Niemoller for something that happened 60 years ago : -
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
....this will probably be too deep for him to understand....and I can forsee his argument that is it not relevant....whatever....
First you have to go down to their level. Then they will beat you with their experience.
It is very clear by now we know of a particular family that does get benefit from our government. If not, how else can you explain his arguement?.
For all rest of the common people, who are not "shutting up" here some encouragement - a poetry by Pastor Martin Niemoller for something that happened 60 years ago : -
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
....this will probably be too deep for him to understand....and I can forsee his argument that is it not relevant....whatever....
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March 05, 2006 1:48 AM
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March 05, 2006 1:48 AM
hey dude..
how do u attract a girls attention?? by wearing smartly and strike up a conversation with her or dress like a beggar and talk to her???
see the difference??thats why they brought kids for the demo.. oh yeah it's a peaceful demo, that's why they brought their kids along. which parent would want their endanger their kids??
btw, try getting a work in the construction industry, u might learn a thing or two bout the hard life's of ppl. Its good for experience.
i'm 21 also, but i'm not a child prodigy or wateva u wrote on ur blog.
my dad is a director of a listed company. yeah..i'm from a rich family, i don't drive a 5 year old car like u. thANks to my dad who bought me an impreza.
u guys might think i'm another of vincent..rich kid wid nice cars (not a beat up 5 yr old car). haha
i agree with shadowfox, yeah..working life is difficult. nothing compare to studying and nothing that fresh grads can imagine.
so why do i say that??i'm rich, but why do i agree with shadowfox ??
i used to be a brat,spoilt brat. untill my dad force me to work when i'm 14. HAHA u guys must be thinking of office jobs and aDMin... dream on! my dad is into construction bussiness, my first job is to weld metal bars with his indonesian workers. working under the hot sun, encounters with scrap metal thieves and bitten by snakes.
i don think even the engineering grads from wateva uni expected this.
up to 15 yrs old , i was sent into a hardware shop as an apprentice, This is the real challenge, vincent.. I DARE U to work in a hardware shop..i'll see if u can last for a week. Carrying an average of 20 bags of cements a day and moving bricks around with bare hands.
i did not stop working for every school holidays even untill now.
my last job with my dad is clearing squatter houses. WITH BARE HANDS AND NO MACHINES.
one thing is for sure, after u receive ur first pay. u will feel embarassed when asking your parents for money. i feel it to when i ask for pocket money when school starts,becoz i know i have the ability to survive on my own.
have u ever felt like this before?
i really thank my dad for all these, he nvr let me do admin jobs before.he let me see the hardships suffered by the lowest rank of the society, even drug addicts.
he bought me the car becoz i help sorting all the dirty jobs that the so called PHD guys from the company that failed to finish.
dude.. i hope u understand wad shadowfox and the others are trying to tell u.. it ain't about the price hike ,NEP or the government.. its about u and ur attitude!
continue like this, u will not survive in the society.
like my dad always say to me, to gain respect,first u have to learn to respect.
leanr it the easy way instead of the hard way
peace
how do u attract a girls attention?? by wearing smartly and strike up a conversation with her or dress like a beggar and talk to her???
see the difference??thats why they brought kids for the demo.. oh yeah it's a peaceful demo, that's why they brought their kids along. which parent would want their endanger their kids??
btw, try getting a work in the construction industry, u might learn a thing or two bout the hard life's of ppl. Its good for experience.
i'm 21 also, but i'm not a child prodigy or wateva u wrote on ur blog.
my dad is a director of a listed company. yeah..i'm from a rich family, i don't drive a 5 year old car like u. thANks to my dad who bought me an impreza.
u guys might think i'm another of vincent..rich kid wid nice cars (not a beat up 5 yr old car). haha
i agree with shadowfox, yeah..working life is difficult. nothing compare to studying and nothing that fresh grads can imagine.
so why do i say that??i'm rich, but why do i agree with shadowfox ??
i used to be a brat,spoilt brat. untill my dad force me to work when i'm 14. HAHA u guys must be thinking of office jobs and aDMin... dream on! my dad is into construction bussiness, my first job is to weld metal bars with his indonesian workers. working under the hot sun, encounters with scrap metal thieves and bitten by snakes.
i don think even the engineering grads from wateva uni expected this.
up to 15 yrs old , i was sent into a hardware shop as an apprentice, This is the real challenge, vincent.. I DARE U to work in a hardware shop..i'll see if u can last for a week. Carrying an average of 20 bags of cements a day and moving bricks around with bare hands.
i did not stop working for every school holidays even untill now.
my last job with my dad is clearing squatter houses. WITH BARE HANDS AND NO MACHINES.
one thing is for sure, after u receive ur first pay. u will feel embarassed when asking your parents for money. i feel it to when i ask for pocket money when school starts,becoz i know i have the ability to survive on my own.
have u ever felt like this before?
i really thank my dad for all these, he nvr let me do admin jobs before.he let me see the hardships suffered by the lowest rank of the society, even drug addicts.
he bought me the car becoz i help sorting all the dirty jobs that the so called PHD guys from the company that failed to finish.
dude.. i hope u understand wad shadowfox and the others are trying to tell u.. it ain't about the price hike ,NEP or the government.. its about u and ur attitude!
continue like this, u will not survive in the society.
like my dad always say to me, to gain respect,first u have to learn to respect.
leanr it the easy way instead of the hard way
peace
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March 05, 2006 5:04 AM
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March 05, 2006 5:04 AM
I'm on Vincent's side here. One question I would like to ask all of you. HAVE ANY OF YOU VISITED THE OUTSKIRTS OFTEN? If no, SHUT UP and stop saying that the government is not using the money to help those who are really poor just because you can't see anything happening or change much in town! 4 Billion is not a lot. Do you think the PM is stupid enough to want to use the 4 billion to help MAS? It's like proving the people right and pushing down his credibility as the PM of this country.
10 years ago, places in the east coast, the roads and all were like shit. You have no idea how backward those people are, children had no schools to go to and bloody hell, they don't even speak BM or any language that we know. Families had no proper houses to live in, roads were horrible because no one wanted to travel on trunk roads hence contractors and developers shy away from going to these places. That's 3 states we're talking about. Now fast forward it to year 2006. The FELCRA area after Raub, and the Gua Musang roads and the bigger roads connecting K.Terengganu and Kota Bharu, the highway to Kuantan, the schools I see at Kuala Lipis and more in Gua Musang and all the Felda areas. The public buses and certain ammenities. Libraries. You think all that won't take up money? That's where all your money went to if you even care to analyse the whole situation instead of acting like morons who can't think with your heads.
You people ask and worry too much. You just want changes for yourselves (don't be hypocrites). How bout those who earn by selling potatoes only? Don't they deserve a better life too? Don't come saying that you're fighting for the poor because I don't think you even know how life is like there for them.
By the way, if they don't do the RM0.30 hike and make it a gradual one, trust me...the prices of food and all related stuffs would go up even higher than it's current state now.
10 years ago, places in the east coast, the roads and all were like shit. You have no idea how backward those people are, children had no schools to go to and bloody hell, they don't even speak BM or any language that we know. Families had no proper houses to live in, roads were horrible because no one wanted to travel on trunk roads hence contractors and developers shy away from going to these places. That's 3 states we're talking about. Now fast forward it to year 2006. The FELCRA area after Raub, and the Gua Musang roads and the bigger roads connecting K.Terengganu and Kota Bharu, the highway to Kuantan, the schools I see at Kuala Lipis and more in Gua Musang and all the Felda areas. The public buses and certain ammenities. Libraries. You think all that won't take up money? That's where all your money went to if you even care to analyse the whole situation instead of acting like morons who can't think with your heads.
You people ask and worry too much. You just want changes for yourselves (don't be hypocrites). How bout those who earn by selling potatoes only? Don't they deserve a better life too? Don't come saying that you're fighting for the poor because I don't think you even know how life is like there for them.
By the way, if they don't do the RM0.30 hike and make it a gradual one, trust me...the prices of food and all related stuffs would go up even higher than it's current state now.
If I send the picture with the child in it to UNICEF, the parents can be sued. No one cares whether it's a peaceful or a violent one, the point is, you're using the child for all the wrong purposes.
U said u are mature enough. Now try this, go and work, don't stay with your parents, rent a place, don't drive a car or a bike, take the public transport. Pay your own bills. Stop saying i pay daddy with bla bla bla. Pay your parents for what they had spent on you. Pay your tax too. When you have done that, come and tell me that you are still not complaining. Fag
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posted by :
March 05, 2006 10:54 AM
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March 05, 2006 10:54 AM
There is nothing wrong with a peaceful demonstration. In a true democracy, the people has the right to be heard.
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posted by :
March 05, 2006 11:18 AM
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March 05, 2006 11:18 AM
Ha..Ha..
Come on,pay taxes,pay car installments,pay parking bills..buy a freaking house and pay bloody installments..pay..pay..pay and not depend on anyone and THEN see how much the govt is helping you..look at the roads,public transports,toll prices...and then look at how much an avg malaysian earns??? 2-3k a month???
A bloody kelisa costs 40k,a decent house costs 100k and over..
Come on,pay taxes,pay car installments,pay parking bills..buy a freaking house and pay bloody installments..pay..pay..pay and not depend on anyone and THEN see how much the govt is helping you..look at the roads,public transports,toll prices...and then look at how much an avg malaysian earns??? 2-3k a month???
A bloody kelisa costs 40k,a decent house costs 100k and over..
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March 05, 2006 11:25 AM
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March 05, 2006 11:25 AM
Lol. You are clearly an advocate of vertical thinking. Dude, as you said, prices will increase in direct proportion with the fuel hike. So the people should be all the more VERY concerned with that for it will affect them on the overall, no? A few dollars spent now compared to a 25% hike in living expenses is nothing. Economics teach you that consumers will wait for a big sale before buying to save money. It's one of the basic determinants under theory of demand. You are really a idiot. Any kids off the street can teach you about the reality of living. Why don't you ask a child participating (or forced to participate) in the protests? Ask them, "why are u guys here? It's exploitation of child labour?" They can answer you, "We have no toy cars to play with. We need money for food, home and a bath everyday." Please do not act like you know them. Requirements in life differ from different social levels. They need to protest. It will affect them the most. Just like children are the ones in war to be impacted the most.
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March 05, 2006 11:26 AM
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March 05, 2006 11:26 AM
In reply to your rebuke:
It is not about you in the first place.
I never said so. You presumed so. Please don't act like a spolit kids and put words in my mouth to put on a facade that you are right.
It's never a honorable thing to have to beg for subsidies. They need to. Get it?
If this is a discussion, shouldn't you consider each opinion, think it through before assuming a stand. If this is an arguement, then please assert yourself professionally. Afterall, you are a 21years old. A 16 year old debater can score better than you do.
It is not about you in the first place.
I never said so. You presumed so. Please don't act like a spolit kids and put words in my mouth to put on a facade that you are right.
It's never a honorable thing to have to beg for subsidies. They need to. Get it?
If this is a discussion, shouldn't you consider each opinion, think it through before assuming a stand. If this is an arguement, then please assert yourself professionally. Afterall, you are a 21years old. A 16 year old debater can score better than you do.
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March 05, 2006 11:33 AM
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March 05, 2006 11:33 AM
Anon : You are so wrong...a child will not know what to say unless their parents tell them to. From the look on the child's face, you can see that he/she doesn't even know his/her purpose there. Judging from the height, he/she is most probably at most 3 years old. Trust me, I deal with kids alot and you can ask them a simple question and they won't know how to answer you directly unless you teach them how to. Like hell they know that the price of milk went up? The poster didn't say, "Petrol naik, susu tak ada" kan?
Instead of protesting about the fuel increase, how bout protesting for a wage increase. As far as I know, an increase in petrol or any other product is inevitable in economics because supply IS running out and they have an inelastic demand. Why protest there? Why not protest outside your companies because they're saying that labour cost is increasing hence prices have to be increased when the fact is that, all your salaries aren't! The reality is, you people are all cowards, so don't come rioting because of the petrol price hike. You are afraid that your income will disappear altogether. Rioting about petrol price increase will not make a difference. Rioting about your wages will. Boycotting products that increase their prices unscrupulously will. Haven't you all learnt economics or at least have common sense instilled in your heads? Go protest outside Dutch Lady and etc. Why to the government? You have all been living comfortably from petrol subsidies long enough. It's time to start planning your finances properly. If you have nothing else to cut down on anymore, then only come back and complain. Look into your own personal life before jumping and attacking others. Who ask you to buy house if you dun have money? Who ask you to buy cars if you dun have money? Who ask you to borrow money from the bank if your salary is unable to support the loan repayment? Go look into the mirror and ask yourselves what you could've done and not what the government should've done because not everyone would be satisfied with whatever things the govt do for you people.
"Requirements in life differ from different social levels"
Haha. You said that yourself, let me tell you something you might not know. People in the rural areas are SO THANKFUL that the government are finally providing them with what they need (the money that you ppl claimed to be misused) - schools, better roads, public transportation, cable lines, and etc. DO YOU SEE THEM RIOTING BECAUSE OF THE PETROL increase? NO. That's because they walk most of the time, take public transportation most of the time and hardly drive their cars around unless they need to. They are also grateful that there are flyovers at their areas now so they can still connect to other towns during monsoon.
Instead of protesting about the fuel increase, how bout protesting for a wage increase. As far as I know, an increase in petrol or any other product is inevitable in economics because supply IS running out and they have an inelastic demand. Why protest there? Why not protest outside your companies because they're saying that labour cost is increasing hence prices have to be increased when the fact is that, all your salaries aren't! The reality is, you people are all cowards, so don't come rioting because of the petrol price hike. You are afraid that your income will disappear altogether. Rioting about petrol price increase will not make a difference. Rioting about your wages will. Boycotting products that increase their prices unscrupulously will. Haven't you all learnt economics or at least have common sense instilled in your heads? Go protest outside Dutch Lady and etc. Why to the government? You have all been living comfortably from petrol subsidies long enough. It's time to start planning your finances properly. If you have nothing else to cut down on anymore, then only come back and complain. Look into your own personal life before jumping and attacking others. Who ask you to buy house if you dun have money? Who ask you to buy cars if you dun have money? Who ask you to borrow money from the bank if your salary is unable to support the loan repayment? Go look into the mirror and ask yourselves what you could've done and not what the government should've done because not everyone would be satisfied with whatever things the govt do for you people.
"Requirements in life differ from different social levels"
Haha. You said that yourself, let me tell you something you might not know. People in the rural areas are SO THANKFUL that the government are finally providing them with what they need (the money that you ppl claimed to be misused) - schools, better roads, public transportation, cable lines, and etc. DO YOU SEE THEM RIOTING BECAUSE OF THE PETROL increase? NO. That's because they walk most of the time, take public transportation most of the time and hardly drive their cars around unless they need to. They are also grateful that there are flyovers at their areas now so they can still connect to other towns during monsoon.
"If this is an arguement, then please assert yourself professionally"
Professionally you ppl say? From what I've been reading, a lot of you have resorted to personal attacks on the blogger instead of arguing with backed up facts. LOL.
Professionally you ppl say? From what I've been reading, a lot of you have resorted to personal attacks on the blogger instead of arguing with backed up facts. LOL.
wow....the depth and level of this 21yr old kid's arrogance is amazing.
My dad bought me a car as well....i used to tell ppl..."hey, I pay for it ok...i pay my dad every month" and i wondered why ppl still call me spoilt...
Then I sold it and bought my own car...financed it, insurance, road tax, petrol..Holy ^%(&^( its a HUGE difference
10 years later....i think back...I must have pissed off quite a few ppl with my attitude..oh well we live and learn
For a person who didnt know who owned MAS, dont you think you arnt really qualified to talk about politics?
I have no issues with teh price hike..in fact there are benefits, malaysians will be more aware of petrol, makin g less uneccesary trips etc. However I KNOW the funds saved will not be spent wisely..there will be more Astronout programs(MatNots), more RM300k clock towers, RM1 billion nonfunctioning hospitals, Helicopters for the AP kings, RM700k metal rambutans for Pg roundabouts, Billion ringgit Flood mitigation projects that we all know WILL NOT WORK
the list goes on and on and on...No issues with teh price hike IF the gov can prove to me they are spending the savings prudently
My dad bought me a car as well....i used to tell ppl..."hey, I pay for it ok...i pay my dad every month" and i wondered why ppl still call me spoilt...
Then I sold it and bought my own car...financed it, insurance, road tax, petrol..Holy ^%(&^( its a HUGE difference
10 years later....i think back...I must have pissed off quite a few ppl with my attitude..oh well we live and learn
For a person who didnt know who owned MAS, dont you think you arnt really qualified to talk about politics?
I have no issues with teh price hike..in fact there are benefits, malaysians will be more aware of petrol, makin g less uneccesary trips etc. However I KNOW the funds saved will not be spent wisely..there will be more Astronout programs(MatNots), more RM300k clock towers, RM1 billion nonfunctioning hospitals, Helicopters for the AP kings, RM700k metal rambutans for Pg roundabouts, Billion ringgit Flood mitigation projects that we all know WILL NOT WORK
the list goes on and on and on...No issues with teh price hike IF the gov can prove to me they are spending the savings prudently
The blogger makes some good points but to his detriment he talked about his personal life on here.
Numero uno for most of you: Just because an entity owns the majority share on a company, they do not directly manage the expenses of the company. They can elect the people but they do not manage. MAS' downfall was a result of their manager line's incompetency, not the government. It is unfair to blame MAS on the government.
People living in underdeveloped states will continue to support the government because it is them who sees the rapid changes around them. The developed states will continue to bitch and moan because it is really their money that is being used to developed the poorer states.
Fortunately, the people in developed states who are unselfishly thinking for all poeple instead of only themselves will continue to support narrowing the rich-poor divide.
Personally, I would rather make 2 ministers rich if I could feed 10 poor families, instead of letting the poor suffer and increasing the distance between the lower-income and the middle-income group.
To each his own
R. Peters
Numero uno for most of you: Just because an entity owns the majority share on a company, they do not directly manage the expenses of the company. They can elect the people but they do not manage. MAS' downfall was a result of their manager line's incompetency, not the government. It is unfair to blame MAS on the government.
People living in underdeveloped states will continue to support the government because it is them who sees the rapid changes around them. The developed states will continue to bitch and moan because it is really their money that is being used to developed the poorer states.
Fortunately, the people in developed states who are unselfishly thinking for all poeple instead of only themselves will continue to support narrowing the rich-poor divide.
Personally, I would rather make 2 ministers rich if I could feed 10 poor families, instead of letting the poor suffer and increasing the distance between the lower-income and the middle-income group.
To each his own
R. Peters
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March 05, 2006 12:45 PM
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March 05, 2006 12:45 PM
Briefly, I'm still surprised that there are those who still think the price hike did not affect those people in rural areas.
The reason villagers did not go riot is just because its the way they are. In fact riots/demonstrations/picket, whatever you may want to call it, is just not synonym with any malaysians at all. We are not like ,for example, Koreans who can have demonstration every month!
True some of the money will be use to develop those in the outskirts... but I believe current action by the G will only make them even poorer.
Okay.. we exclude the government controlled item (rice, sugar etc), there are still thousands of other goods that will get increased (despite G assurance there should be none too significant)
The reason villagers did not go riot is just because its the way they are. In fact riots/demonstrations/picket, whatever you may want to call it, is just not synonym with any malaysians at all. We are not like ,for example, Koreans who can have demonstration every month!
True some of the money will be use to develop those in the outskirts... but I believe current action by the G will only make them even poorer.
Okay.. we exclude the government controlled item (rice, sugar etc), there are still thousands of other goods that will get increased (despite G assurance there should be none too significant)
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March 05, 2006 12:56 PM
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March 05, 2006 12:56 PM
You are not even qualified to talk anything related to politics or money if you are still leeching from your parents.
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March 05, 2006 12:59 PM
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March 05, 2006 12:59 PM
Many states/area won by oppositions are deliberately ignored/underdeveloped to punish the villagers/people/voters for not Voting Barisan Nasional.
The treasury/money belongs to the people, the tax payers. The ruling government has NO right to choke off funds for development in areas won by the opposition, that includes Kelantan and Terengganu (last time).
Those defenders of the ruling govt should think properly before they speak about development for rural areas especially areas won by opposition.
The treasury/money belongs to the people, the tax payers. The ruling government has NO right to choke off funds for development in areas won by the opposition, that includes Kelantan and Terengganu (last time).
Those defenders of the ruling govt should think properly before they speak about development for rural areas especially areas won by opposition.
Not of importance but since he mentioned it: Well. Vincent attacked other bloggers personally too. So let's make it a common thing! Wouldn't that be nice?
So who ask them to live since they cannot afford to live? Since all fuel, food, milk, shelters and such are all essentials of life. And as you said, asking for a wage increase is close to impossible due to the dying economics. Capital costs for companies increase as well because fuel is essential for them as well. So the next best alternative is to lower the cost of needed products ( And these are not even luxury items). Government is a key role here for they can stabilize the fluctuations of prices of goods.
Nice. Once again, poor in the city and poor in the country are different. Their needs are different. You cannot put them together to place them under "poor" categories.
So what if u work with children alot? Under what kind of conditions? Children with what kind of experience? All these children grow up at different rates. Their cognitive process matures at different level. Children are getting more street-wise noadays. Urbanization is taking place concurrently.It's definitely not the same.
Food is definitely more of a concern to poor in the city for they cannot even grow their own! Lands are so expensive and unlike poor in the country, they need fuel and food simultaneously. The public transport in the cities of Malaysia are too inefficient to meet their needs. They need to start work at 6am...Buses avaliable?Traffic Jam? Walk on the roads of Malaysia at noon and see how you like it ( You are testing a chance that you will be mugged too considering the security of Malaysia's streets). Risk dying as an unknown JUST because you cannot afford to eat; afford to have private and dilapidated transport and shelter - all because of a hike in fuel. The increase is eating in to their life and decreasing their standards of living.
They are just trying to make a difference. If you cannot feel their pain and shame. Then I'm sorry. You will find it hard to help. No one finds charity honourable. On the other hand, everyone loves to wield banknotes ard. I am being an idiot by sympathizing with them and trying to make my blessed life harder to swallow by thinking about their pain. Nonethless, at least I am not making out all the poor as parasites of society. There is always a "if". If there is no fuel hike to further make lives harder, there will be no protests.Not of importance but since he mentioned it: Well. Vincent attacked other bloggers personally too. So let's make it a common thing! Wouldn't that be nice?
So who ask them to live since they cannot afford to live? Since all fuel, food, milk, shelters and such are all essentials of life. And as you said, asking for a wage increase is close to impossible due to the dying economics. Capital costs for companies increase as well because fuel is essential for them as well. So the next best alternative is to lower the cost of needed products ( And these are not even luxury items). Government is a key role here for they can stabilize the fluctuations of prices of goods.
Nice. Once again, poor in the city and poor in the country are different. Their needs are different. You cannot put them together to place them under "poor" categories.
So what if u work with children alot? Under what kind of conditions? Children with what kind of experience? All these children grow up at different rates. Their cognitive process matures at different level. Children are getting more street-wise noadays. Urbanization is taking place concurrently.It's definitely not the same.
Food is definitely more of a concern to poor in the city for they cannot even grow their own! Lands are so expensive and unlike poor in the country, they need fuel and food simultaneously. The public transport in the cities of Malaysia are too inefficient to meet their needs. They need to start work at 6am...Buses avaliable?Traffic Jam? Walk on the roads of Malaysia at noon and see how you like it ( You are testing a chance that you will be mugged too considering the security of Malaysia's streets). Risk dying as an unknown JUST because you cannot afford to eat; afford to have private and dilapidated transport and shelter - all because of a hike in fuel. The increase is eating in to their life and decreasing their standards of living.
They are just trying to make a difference. If you cannot feel their pain and shame. Then I'm sorry. You will find it hard to help. No one finds charity honourable. On the other hand, everyone loves to wield banknotes ard. I am being an idiot by sympathizing with them and trying to make my blessed life harder to swallow by thinking about their pain. Nonethless, at least I am not making out all the poor as parasites of society. There is always a "if". If there is no fuel hike to further make lives harder, there will be no protests.
Whether the govt used the money wisely or not. The people who are suffering the most are the people at the bottom of the ladders.
So who ask them to live since they cannot afford to live? Since all fuel, food, milk, shelters and such are all essentials of life. And as you said, asking for a wage increase is close to impossible due to the dying economics. Capital costs for companies increase as well because fuel is essential for them as well. So the next best alternative is to lower the cost of needed products ( And these are not even luxury items). Government is a key role here for they can stabilize the fluctuations of prices of goods.
Nice. Once again, poor in the city and poor in the country are different. Their needs are different. You cannot put them together to place them under "poor" categories.
So what if u work with children alot? Under what kind of conditions? Children with what kind of experience? All these children grow up at different rates. Their cognitive process matures at different level. Children are getting more street-wise noadays. Urbanization is taking place concurrently.It's definitely not the same.
Food is definitely more of a concern to poor in the city for they cannot even grow their own! Lands are so expensive and unlike poor in the country, they need fuel and food simultaneously. The public transport in the cities of Malaysia are too inefficient to meet their needs. They need to start work at 6am...Buses avaliable?Traffic Jam? Walk on the roads of Malaysia at noon and see how you like it ( You are testing a chance that you will be mugged too considering the security of Malaysia's streets). Risk dying as an unknown JUST because you cannot afford to eat; afford to have private and dilapidated transport and shelter - all because of a hike in fuel. The increase is eating in to their life and decreasing their standards of living.
They are just trying to make a difference. If you cannot feel their pain and shame. Then I'm sorry. You will find it hard to help. No one finds charity honourable. On the other hand, everyone loves to wield banknotes ard. I am being an idiot by sympathizing with them and trying to make my blessed life harder to swallow by thinking about their pain. Nonethless, at least I am not making out all the poor as parasites of society. There is always a "if". If there is no fuel hike to further make lives harder, there will be no protests.Not of importance but since he mentioned it: Well. Vincent attacked other bloggers personally too. So let's make it a common thing! Wouldn't that be nice?
So who ask them to live since they cannot afford to live? Since all fuel, food, milk, shelters and such are all essentials of life. And as you said, asking for a wage increase is close to impossible due to the dying economics. Capital costs for companies increase as well because fuel is essential for them as well. So the next best alternative is to lower the cost of needed products ( And these are not even luxury items). Government is a key role here for they can stabilize the fluctuations of prices of goods.
Nice. Once again, poor in the city and poor in the country are different. Their needs are different. You cannot put them together to place them under "poor" categories.
So what if u work with children alot? Under what kind of conditions? Children with what kind of experience? All these children grow up at different rates. Their cognitive process matures at different level. Children are getting more street-wise noadays. Urbanization is taking place concurrently.It's definitely not the same.
Food is definitely more of a concern to poor in the city for they cannot even grow their own! Lands are so expensive and unlike poor in the country, they need fuel and food simultaneously. The public transport in the cities of Malaysia are too inefficient to meet their needs. They need to start work at 6am...Buses avaliable?Traffic Jam? Walk on the roads of Malaysia at noon and see how you like it ( You are testing a chance that you will be mugged too considering the security of Malaysia's streets). Risk dying as an unknown JUST because you cannot afford to eat; afford to have private and dilapidated transport and shelter - all because of a hike in fuel. The increase is eating in to their life and decreasing their standards of living.
They are just trying to make a difference. If you cannot feel their pain and shame. Then I'm sorry. You will find it hard to help. No one finds charity honourable. On the other hand, everyone loves to wield banknotes ard. I am being an idiot by sympathizing with them and trying to make my blessed life harder to swallow by thinking about their pain. Nonethless, at least I am not making out all the poor as parasites of society. There is always a "if". If there is no fuel hike to further make lives harder, there will be no protests.
Whether the govt used the money wisely or not. The people who are suffering the most are the people at the bottom of the ladders.
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March 05, 2006 1:17 PM
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March 05, 2006 1:17 PM
ShadowFox
I sincerely think that is opposition-talk. Kelantan and Terengganu does not develop because they are PAS areas. PAS cannot manage money even if they had gazillions in their account. I'm pretty sure those money they collect goes to supporting the terrorists in Southern Thai. Muslims are the cancer of this world.
BN has no power over how the muslims manage their funds.
R. Peters
I sincerely think that is opposition-talk. Kelantan and Terengganu does not develop because they are PAS areas. PAS cannot manage money even if they had gazillions in their account. I'm pretty sure those money they collect goes to supporting the terrorists in Southern Thai. Muslims are the cancer of this world.
BN has no power over how the muslims manage their funds.
R. Peters
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March 05, 2006 1:19 PM
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March 05, 2006 1:19 PM
"Many states/area won by oppositions are deliberately ignored/underdeveloped to punish the villagers/people/voters for not Voting Barisan Nasional"
Have you been there or even travelled to these rural areas (currently still being ruled by the opposition) to see it for yourself? If not, maybe you should just keep your baseless opinions to yourself instead of listening to rumours about the govt not supplying them with funds to develop the place.
Have you been there or even travelled to these rural areas (currently still being ruled by the opposition) to see it for yourself? If not, maybe you should just keep your baseless opinions to yourself instead of listening to rumours about the govt not supplying them with funds to develop the place.
"You are not even qualified to talk anything related to politics or money if you are still leeching from your parents"
Even if you're not leeching from your parents, you're not qualified to talk about politics or money if you have no sense or logic and fairness behind your arguments.
R.Peters : I think you're crossing the boundary here talking about Muslims and bringing in racial issues
Even if you're not leeching from your parents, you're not qualified to talk about politics or money if you have no sense or logic and fairness behind your arguments.
R.Peters : I think you're crossing the boundary here talking about Muslims and bringing in racial issues
S-Kay
I'm sorry. I hope the blogger can delete or edit my comment?
btw, muslims are not a race
I'm sorry. I hope the blogger can delete or edit my comment?
btw, muslims are not a race
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March 05, 2006 1:27 PM
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March 05, 2006 1:27 PM
Here we have another little girl living in denial and apologist for the ruling government.
It is a fact that opposition parties including those such as DAP has to raise their OWN funds to do any work for the people in their constituency when the proper way would be to get funds from the federal government for the job.
The typical modus operandi of pro-BN supporters like skay is to parrot what the government has repeated all along about anything not officially from them or their press should be considered rumors.
Then again, based on history of events, Malaysians tend to trust rumors a lot more than official news, because rumors turns out to be true and more reliable than official news by the government.
If you think oppositions having to raise funds themselves are just pure rumors, you should personally go tell that to Teresa Kok.
http://teresakok.blogsome.com/2006/01/28/116/#more-116
It is a fact that opposition parties including those such as DAP has to raise their OWN funds to do any work for the people in their constituency when the proper way would be to get funds from the federal government for the job.
The typical modus operandi of pro-BN supporters like skay is to parrot what the government has repeated all along about anything not officially from them or their press should be considered rumors.
Then again, based on history of events, Malaysians tend to trust rumors a lot more than official news, because rumors turns out to be true and more reliable than official news by the government.
If you think oppositions having to raise funds themselves are just pure rumors, you should personally go tell that to Teresa Kok.
http://teresakok.blogsome.com/2006/01/28/116/#more-116
Once, I heard a freethinkers said
"Religion is the cancer of the world."
So R.Peters.. please stick to the issue... no point dragging religion into this discussion. We might end up with lengthy debate unrelated to current discussion
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"Religion is the cancer of the world."
So R.Peters.. please stick to the issue... no point dragging religion into this discussion. We might end up with lengthy debate unrelated to current discussion
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March 05, 2006 1:35 PM
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March 05, 2006 1:35 PM
s-kay is protecting muslims becoz her bf is a muslim and she wanna married a muslim, and she had never worked before but still under the protection of her parents and bf till now so her views are very childish and shallow like vincent too!
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March 05, 2006 1:36 PM
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March 05, 2006 1:36 PM
ShadowFox
Oh that is irrelevant. DAP does not control any states. You mentioned Kelantan and Terengganu. Stick to it.
R. Peters
Oh that is irrelevant. DAP does not control any states. You mentioned Kelantan and Terengganu. Stick to it.
R. Peters
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March 05, 2006 1:38 PM
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March 05, 2006 1:38 PM
I just wonder why we are still having this discussion.
Look at both of them, one is just started to come of his cocoon and the other is still in college.
They may claim that they are mature for their age but they definitely have not even come close to understand the whole situation.
At their stage in life now. They will not understand at all.
Seeing some development in a kampung is one thing but knowing how much is being overspent (I should say overbilled) on it is totally different.
They may thank the government for cutting the fuel subsidies and building roads but they will never know that at the end it will cost them more.
Given they a couple of years in the real world and have the same discussion again. I bet it will be very much different.
Look at both of them, one is just started to come of his cocoon and the other is still in college.
They may claim that they are mature for their age but they definitely have not even come close to understand the whole situation.
At their stage in life now. They will not understand at all.
Seeing some development in a kampung is one thing but knowing how much is being overspent (I should say overbilled) on it is totally different.
They may thank the government for cutting the fuel subsidies and building roads but they will never know that at the end it will cost them more.
Given they a couple of years in the real world and have the same discussion again. I bet it will be very much different.
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March 05, 2006 1:40 PM
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March 05, 2006 1:40 PM
if what 'anonymous' said about skay is true, then I am not surprised she has an interest in defending the government and their policies.
As raymond has said, 'don't waste time arguing with idiots'.
As raymond has said, 'don't waste time arguing with idiots'.
Unfortunately, it is more idiotic to discount somebody's valid opinions based on their personal lives and backgrounds.
This kid knows what he's talking about. And the rest of you against him are exactly like those people you see in TV wearing tin-foil hats on their head thinking the government is trying to read and scan their brainwaves.
You ASSUME the government will misuse the money. You ASSUME the government will feed their cronies. You ASSUME the poor will suffer because of fuel-hikes.
What's ironic is before I came work in Malaysia, I thought the Asians were smarter than us.
R. Peters
This kid knows what he's talking about. And the rest of you against him are exactly like those people you see in TV wearing tin-foil hats on their head thinking the government is trying to read and scan their brainwaves.
You ASSUME the government will misuse the money. You ASSUME the government will feed their cronies. You ASSUME the poor will suffer because of fuel-hikes.
What's ironic is before I came work in Malaysia, I thought the Asians were smarter than us.
R. Peters
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March 05, 2006 1:53 PM
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March 05, 2006 1:53 PM
"s-kay is protecting muslims becoz her bf is a muslim and she wanna married a muslim, and she had never worked before but still under the protection of her parents and bf till now so her views are very childish and shallow like vincent too!"
Eh! whoever you are...if you were silent off somewhere in my blog entries or another person's, I think you should save yourself the humiliation you're about to cause yourself.
So please dun act as if you know me (whether I have worked before or whose protection I'm under and the Muslim bits)
At least engage in a more relevant discussions such as the ones by Leo, Shadowfox and etc.
Raymond : To assume is already a mistake because you're not living in any of our lives to be claiming that you understand us or others. What we should have here is a healthy debate and not aggresive unhealthy ones, which are based on factless assumptions.
We did not claim that we are mature but at least we have solid reasonings to what we're arguing.
Shadowfox : To tell you the truth, I find all BN supporters dumb. You know why? Because year after year, they keep complaining but yet, they still mark the dacing. How pathetic is that? You want a change but you're afraid to change. And no, I won't be supporting DAP too because they're all talk and no walk (cept Teresa Kok). What I'm waiting for is the new generation to come forth but unfortunately, our dear young prodigy is still awaiting his license.
So if I am the parrot of BN, then what does that make you? Parrot DAP? It doesn't make sense right? So think before you talk so you can save us all the time discussing this crap topic when what you can do is go to your computer, draft out a budget plan on Excel and stick to it.
Eh! whoever you are...if you were silent off somewhere in my blog entries or another person's, I think you should save yourself the humiliation you're about to cause yourself.
So please dun act as if you know me (whether I have worked before or whose protection I'm under and the Muslim bits)
At least engage in a more relevant discussions such as the ones by Leo, Shadowfox and etc.
Raymond : To assume is already a mistake because you're not living in any of our lives to be claiming that you understand us or others. What we should have here is a healthy debate and not aggresive unhealthy ones, which are based on factless assumptions.
We did not claim that we are mature but at least we have solid reasonings to what we're arguing.
Shadowfox : To tell you the truth, I find all BN supporters dumb. You know why? Because year after year, they keep complaining but yet, they still mark the dacing. How pathetic is that? You want a change but you're afraid to change. And no, I won't be supporting DAP too because they're all talk and no walk (cept Teresa Kok). What I'm waiting for is the new generation to come forth but unfortunately, our dear young prodigy is still awaiting his license.
So if I am the parrot of BN, then what does that make you? Parrot DAP? It doesn't make sense right? So think before you talk so you can save us all the time discussing this crap topic when what you can do is go to your computer, draft out a budget plan on Excel and stick to it.
Great, we have someone here that is not even a Malaysian and claims that he knows so much about us. Better than we know our government.
Having work for a couple of years in Malaysia and he is already an expert in Asian sociology.
Having work for a couple of years in Malaysia and he is already an expert in Asian sociology.
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March 05, 2006 1:57 PM
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March 05, 2006 1:57 PM
And in addition to another of your dumb comment...so if anyone who marries or is in a rship with a Muslim then he or she is assumed to be supporting the government, a pro-BN and a Muslim supporter? OMG, is this how a guy who claims to be more mature than the youngbies here think like? How pathetic. So if you're working for the government, or you're working under a Muslim boss or your company's CEO is a Muslim, are you directly considered as being Pro-Govt, Pro-BN and Pro-Muslim? I think even my sister can beat you in any political/economic debate anytime because I dun see any sense in your comments at all. Why not be more mature and try to accept both sides of the argument because not everyone is right.
R.Peters : They have the brains but not all know how to use them productively. Those who are not cooperative and selfish & hypocritical end up like idiots.
R.Peters : They have the brains but not all know how to use them productively. Those who are not cooperative and selfish & hypocritical end up like idiots.
Raymond, actually there're many foreigners like them, who're mostly rejects from their own country being posted here to live as an expat parasite.
They get close to the govt and the cronies here and also get funds to do whatever it is they failed to to do in their own country and the govt here believes them blindly because they're white men.
Fortunately not all of them are like that but usually the ones that trash talks as if they know anything about our situation are the ones like that.
They get close to the govt and the cronies here and also get funds to do whatever it is they failed to to do in their own country and the govt here believes them blindly because they're white men.
Fortunately not all of them are like that but usually the ones that trash talks as if they know anything about our situation are the ones like that.
s-kay, u are the one who are good example of a walking-humiliation, enuf said, i dun wanna explain more or educate you becoz i dunno u and DUN CARE abt you, but i'm just letting leo know abt ur background and ask him to ignore u becos ur excuses are invalid!
i'm with Leo
i'm with Leo
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March 05, 2006 2:07 PM
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March 05, 2006 2:07 PM
Oh my, a personal attack. Good try. Maybe you'll score next year.
Allow me to demonstrate what a personal attack should read like.
It must be really humilating that a "reject" makes more money than you and has more charisma than the best your kind has to offer.
Do you really need to focus on somebody's background to get on top of a prevailing issue?
Enough of this, if you cant show maturity than I hope someone else will.
R. Peters
Allow me to demonstrate what a personal attack should read like.
It must be really humilating that a "reject" makes more money than you and has more charisma than the best your kind has to offer.
Do you really need to focus on somebody's background to get on top of a prevailing issue?
Enough of this, if you cant show maturity than I hope someone else will.
R. Peters
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March 05, 2006 2:19 PM
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March 05, 2006 2:19 PM
Didn't someone here just a couple of post above accuse us of making assumption. I guess it is prefectly alright for a him to do it as we are "not as smart as he thinks".
How can he know how much shadowfox makes?? and has less chrisma?? For all we know shadowfox is better then him at all counts.
How can he know how much shadowfox makes?? and has less chrisma?? For all we know shadowfox is better then him at all counts.
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March 05, 2006 2:35 PM
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March 05, 2006 2:35 PM
For an 'expat' that spews bile crap such as 'Muslims are the cancer of this world. '
You sure know how to display your maturity. I won't even bother wasting my time with filth like you.
You sure know how to display your maturity. I won't even bother wasting my time with filth like you.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU FUCK HEADS TALKING ABOUT!?!?
This started off as a discussion about fuel hikes. If you have a problem with the government and would like to vent your frustrations, by all means DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!
To the dumbass who claimed that he has been working under the hot sun every year since he was 14.....HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW I DIDN'T DO THE SAME!?!? The relevance...please!?!
I have come to realise, it is IMPOSSIBLE to reason with uneducated people who live in a shell of hatred. I mean, how else can anybody possibly defend the actions of the father of the little girl in the picture??
This started off as a discussion about fuel hikes. If you have a problem with the government and would like to vent your frustrations, by all means DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE!
To the dumbass who claimed that he has been working under the hot sun every year since he was 14.....HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW I DIDN'T DO THE SAME!?!? The relevance...please!?!
I have come to realise, it is IMPOSSIBLE to reason with uneducated people who live in a shell of hatred. I mean, how else can anybody possibly defend the actions of the father of the little girl in the picture??
btw Shadowfox, have you gone out and bought 'The Chinese Dilemma' - the book which you thought was against the NEP?
Did it feel good looking like a complete ass?
Did it feel good looking like a complete ass?
R.Peters... By demonstrating a personal attack. You are just succumbing to the level of an idiot. If you think that behaviour is undesirable, then just state your displeasure and leave it at that. You are not acting any more mature.
P/S: That's not even a personal attack. It feels like you are talking crap. Seriously.
P/S II: How come it is about politics now? Will engaging in politics affect the fuel hike and its impacts on people? I do not get it. Please highlight the links. Thank you.
P/S: That's not even a personal attack. It feels like you are talking crap. Seriously.
P/S II: How come it is about politics now? Will engaging in politics affect the fuel hike and its impacts on people? I do not get it. Please highlight the links. Thank you.
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March 05, 2006 4:01 PM
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March 05, 2006 4:01 PM
The father felt more than you will ever do in including his child in a fight between the adults. They are not unfeeling bastards.
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March 05, 2006 4:07 PM
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March 05, 2006 4:07 PM
"S-Kay says : To assume is already a mistake because you're not living in any of our lives to be claiming that you understand us or others."
I totally agree with you.
I have to think about my housing loan all the time. As you said, I should not have buy the house if I can't offer it. I am sorry about this also.
I have to think about my car HP. Not to mentioned road tax, car insuruance, maintainence and of course PETROL. Again I should not have buy it. But then to go to work on public transport, it will take me 3 hours one way, if the bus arrives at all. It is my fault that I did not get a job near my house, beside the fact that the house is the only place I can afford. Why is that, cause it is far from KL.
I have to think about the yearly assessment to the local council, who are trying to increase it all the time. Now I have to pay for Indah Water "service" as well, which previously is part of my assessment fees. Sooner or later I will have to pay for garbage collection too.
My water bill has gone up as the goverment has recently approved a rate increase. This is to improve efficiency as the government has told me. But why am I still seriously considering a couple hundred ringgit plus water filter for my house as a solution of not drinking "shit" water. Sorry I can't afford those fancy thousand ringgit one which probably is installed in your parent's house.
I also have to think about my retired parents. Do they have enough money, how much more should I give them for the month. Their insurance for hospitalisation if they fell ill. You will probably blame me for not considering government hospital. But I believe this is the least I can do for them. You may think differently, but then it will be your parents not mine.
I am also thinking when will my electricity bill go up, if not this month, next month?. Where is the cheapest places for meals. I am talking about hawker and kopi shop. Not those fancy restaurants. You probably don't know but it is much cheaper to eat at these places for your meals than to cook your own. Of couse nothing beats mommy home cook food (as it is free) or Mr.BF belanja meals (still free).
And I am still think......
Yes, you are right. By going with your arguement, I shouldn't be even living at all. I definitely cannot afford it.
I totally agree with you.
I have to think about my housing loan all the time. As you said, I should not have buy the house if I can't offer it. I am sorry about this also.
I have to think about my car HP. Not to mentioned road tax, car insuruance, maintainence and of course PETROL. Again I should not have buy it. But then to go to work on public transport, it will take me 3 hours one way, if the bus arrives at all. It is my fault that I did not get a job near my house, beside the fact that the house is the only place I can afford. Why is that, cause it is far from KL.
I have to think about the yearly assessment to the local council, who are trying to increase it all the time. Now I have to pay for Indah Water "service" as well, which previously is part of my assessment fees. Sooner or later I will have to pay for garbage collection too.
My water bill has gone up as the goverment has recently approved a rate increase. This is to improve efficiency as the government has told me. But why am I still seriously considering a couple hundred ringgit plus water filter for my house as a solution of not drinking "shit" water. Sorry I can't afford those fancy thousand ringgit one which probably is installed in your parent's house.
I also have to think about my retired parents. Do they have enough money, how much more should I give them for the month. Their insurance for hospitalisation if they fell ill. You will probably blame me for not considering government hospital. But I believe this is the least I can do for them. You may think differently, but then it will be your parents not mine.
I am also thinking when will my electricity bill go up, if not this month, next month?. Where is the cheapest places for meals. I am talking about hawker and kopi shop. Not those fancy restaurants. You probably don't know but it is much cheaper to eat at these places for your meals than to cook your own. Of couse nothing beats mommy home cook food (as it is free) or Mr.BF belanja meals (still free).
And I am still think......
Yes, you are right. By going with your arguement, I shouldn't be even living at all. I definitely cannot afford it.
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March 05, 2006 4:29 PM
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March 05, 2006 4:29 PM
I never said the book was against the NEP. It was a recommended reading in addition to Mahathir's book. You should read Lee Kuan Yew's books too. My arguments and stance is always from a Malaysian who has to put up with cronyism, corruption in the country and the misuse of public funds. I speak from the point of view of a Malaysian, not a Chinese alone. You're quite presumptious but I don't blame you. You live a sheltered life.
As for the title of making himself a complete ass in public, I think you deserve that honor. Your behaviour and the way you insult others first with your posts, and attempts to 'educate the masses' when you're a super-flunkie yourself, still living with parents, totally subsidized and incapable of being even partially independent just begs one to question your credibility in giving objective opinions about other people's sufferings and hardship.
You can name call and argue and insult all you want, it does not change the fact that many will not take you seriously because you simply do not, i repeat, do not experience hardship/difficulties the people nowadays are going through, and the frustrations we have to put up with the corruption/cronyism going on now, else you will not have posted so arrogantly and devaluing the problems and hardships faced by others.
You can be a prodigy, or a genius for all I care, but humility will bring you much further in life than arrogance and pride. You will probably rather remain in your sheltered life, free from the real hardships in Malaysia, and align yourself with the MCA sycophants instead.
Have a nice day, I got code to write.
As for the title of making himself a complete ass in public, I think you deserve that honor. Your behaviour and the way you insult others first with your posts, and attempts to 'educate the masses' when you're a super-flunkie yourself, still living with parents, totally subsidized and incapable of being even partially independent just begs one to question your credibility in giving objective opinions about other people's sufferings and hardship.
You can name call and argue and insult all you want, it does not change the fact that many will not take you seriously because you simply do not, i repeat, do not experience hardship/difficulties the people nowadays are going through, and the frustrations we have to put up with the corruption/cronyism going on now, else you will not have posted so arrogantly and devaluing the problems and hardships faced by others.
You can be a prodigy, or a genius for all I care, but humility will bring you much further in life than arrogance and pride. You will probably rather remain in your sheltered life, free from the real hardships in Malaysia, and align yourself with the MCA sycophants instead.
Have a nice day, I got code to write.
man... no wonder u failed ur subjects... perhaps what u knew, as u thought as the truth, is not the th actual reality. what u see may not be correct as well, ppl are blinded by rose-tinted glass...
oh, let me just point out one small little thing. about getting money to provide or improve all those amenities.
true, the government must get their income from somewhere, but hey must it come from the ppl? it's like taking money from the right pocket and put it into the left. it's robbing john to pay paul!
if u dont know, the govenrment should get their money from outside... from other nations. by trade, either through physical products, services or anything worth trading. we have natural resources which we are selling now!
do u think singapore had anynatural resources to sell? no they sell services. they sell manpower. they sell knowledge. and they did alot better than us.
one simple thing such as public transportation, let's not say the whole country, simply take our KL for comparison with our neighbour is more than enuf.
and u think u have better knowledge than most ppl. man, u're a disgrace to all 20s youngsters...
oh, let me just point out one small little thing. about getting money to provide or improve all those amenities.
true, the government must get their income from somewhere, but hey must it come from the ppl? it's like taking money from the right pocket and put it into the left. it's robbing john to pay paul!
if u dont know, the govenrment should get their money from outside... from other nations. by trade, either through physical products, services or anything worth trading. we have natural resources which we are selling now!
do u think singapore had anynatural resources to sell? no they sell services. they sell manpower. they sell knowledge. and they did alot better than us.
one simple thing such as public transportation, let's not say the whole country, simply take our KL for comparison with our neighbour is more than enuf.
and u think u have better knowledge than most ppl. man, u're a disgrace to all 20s youngsters...
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March 05, 2006 5:50 PM
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March 05, 2006 5:50 PM
"I am also thinking when will my electricity bill go up, if not this month, next month?. Where is the cheapest places for meals. I am talking about hawker and kopi shop. Not those fancy restaurants. You probably don't know but it is much cheaper to eat at these places for your meals than to cook your own. Of couse nothing beats mommy home cook food (as it is free) or Mr.BF belanja meals (still free)"
You should've foreseen all these and saved when you could since you guys are so familiar with the governments way of conduct. Before you bought the house and engaged yourself in a loan, you should've planned your future finances properly already especially concerning your job. Set goals for yourself.
And please dun drag my mom or my BF in you numbskull. What are you? Insane? How would you know if I frequent fancy restaurants more than I frequent hawker centres or eat homecooked meals?? Think before you type those words. If you're not a family man, eating out is much cheaper, but if you have kids or a big family at home, eating homecooked meals are cheaper.
Btw, now with the inflation going on...you should save as much as you can because interest rates are up. RM10 is more than enough a month to save.
I'll recommend you this site. Do visit it with an open mind. If you ppl can't do any of those or understand them then dun come back and rant about this and that when you're not even doing yourself a great financial favour. Do you think ranting all day long here will give you money? Do you think Vincent can change the way the govt. works? Do you think your voices will be heard? NO. So what we can all do is shut up and think about how we're gonna get around this shit and start living a better life aside from complaining. But my guess would be, you'd probably flame the blogger over at this site even. Pathetic.
http://www.hafizismail.com/financialtips/
Shadowfox : Why don't you just surrender your citizenship and swim over to Spore since you love complaining so much about this country. Afraid that Singaporeans might treat you like how you insulted our fellow expat here in this discussion? LOL
You should've foreseen all these and saved when you could since you guys are so familiar with the governments way of conduct. Before you bought the house and engaged yourself in a loan, you should've planned your future finances properly already especially concerning your job. Set goals for yourself.
And please dun drag my mom or my BF in you numbskull. What are you? Insane? How would you know if I frequent fancy restaurants more than I frequent hawker centres or eat homecooked meals?? Think before you type those words. If you're not a family man, eating out is much cheaper, but if you have kids or a big family at home, eating homecooked meals are cheaper.
Btw, now with the inflation going on...you should save as much as you can because interest rates are up. RM10 is more than enough a month to save.
I'll recommend you this site. Do visit it with an open mind. If you ppl can't do any of those or understand them then dun come back and rant about this and that when you're not even doing yourself a great financial favour. Do you think ranting all day long here will give you money? Do you think Vincent can change the way the govt. works? Do you think your voices will be heard? NO. So what we can all do is shut up and think about how we're gonna get around this shit and start living a better life aside from complaining. But my guess would be, you'd probably flame the blogger over at this site even. Pathetic.
http://www.hafizismail.com/financialtips/
Shadowfox : Why don't you just surrender your citizenship and swim over to Spore since you love complaining so much about this country. Afraid that Singaporeans might treat you like how you insulted our fellow expat here in this discussion? LOL
suicai : Which school did you go to and which book did you study. Who taught you that the country should only garner their revenues through trade? Why don't you tell the whole world that.
"Firstly, in order to spend money, that money has to come from somewhere. You idiots complain that the public transport is horrible, the education system dismal and the healthcare abysmal. However, when the goverment tries to raise money for precisely all that, you grumble to wit's end. So pray tell me, where the fuck do you expect all that money to come from? Would you prefer they raise the income tax rates, or are you praying that gold shall rain down from the heavens??"
haha... when u wana pay for household stuffs, food, clothes, etc, where does that money comes from? how do ppl earn their keep, man?
they go to work, or they do business. either way u provide something of value and u get money FROM recipient of ur trade in return.
and not by taxing your wife and children of their spending to pay for ur own expenditure. where does their money comes from anyway? it looks silly isn't it?
so do u see the analogy of "income & household expenditure" between a normal family & the running of a business & how a country should raise money for expenditure?
oh i wont blame you if u dont get it... u're not of business material anyway... u're just an "engineer". engineer simply works for womeone else, get the job done, and bugz off.
after all, ur expenditure comes by extending your hand to your father...
haha... when u wana pay for household stuffs, food, clothes, etc, where does that money comes from? how do ppl earn their keep, man?
they go to work, or they do business. either way u provide something of value and u get money FROM recipient of ur trade in return.
and not by taxing your wife and children of their spending to pay for ur own expenditure. where does their money comes from anyway? it looks silly isn't it?
so do u see the analogy of "income & household expenditure" between a normal family & the running of a business & how a country should raise money for expenditure?
oh i wont blame you if u dont get it... u're not of business material anyway... u're just an "engineer". engineer simply works for womeone else, get the job done, and bugz off.
after all, ur expenditure comes by extending your hand to your father...
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posted by :
March 05, 2006 6:03 PM
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March 05, 2006 6:03 PM
"they go to work, or they do business. either way u provide something of value and u get money FROM recipient of ur trade in return.
and not by taxing your wife and children of their spending to pay for ur own expenditure. where does their money comes from anyway? it looks silly isn't it?"
Erm...because you tax your customers through funny service charges and stuffs like that and because the money that you give your wives and kids are from your own pocket so why would you wanna tax yourself? LOL
and not by taxing your wife and children of their spending to pay for ur own expenditure. where does their money comes from anyway? it looks silly isn't it?"
Erm...because you tax your customers through funny service charges and stuffs like that and because the money that you give your wives and kids are from your own pocket so why would you wanna tax yourself? LOL
Hey Skay, cool down girl... i know u're hot now, and u just want to blast that fella, but there's no need to direct ur heat to me along side, do u?
hey i read ur blog too... i roughly know who u are...
ok, regarding things u asked, ok...
i graduated from a business school 2 yrs ago and i'm currently working as a small fry associate in a local JV with an American MNC.
i stand by my statement, oh i might add a little for clarification, "the government should gain bulk of their income through trade." so i say trade is a great way to generate income.
it's what nations has been doing since time immemorial. even during the cave dwelling era, humans have been trading between forest dwellers and the seaside dwellers...
i agree that government may generate income through taxes. after all, ppl too, trades and gains income and government reserves the right to tax them. BUT when a government relies too heavily on tax as a source of revenue, it will start to collapse.
name me the government of a nation or country that survives solely on taxing its ppl alone. ridiculous? nay.
oh by the way, i have to clarify just one simple thing. reducing fuel subsidy DOES NOT means income for the government. it is simply a reduced expenditure.
hey i read ur blog too... i roughly know who u are...
ok, regarding things u asked, ok...
i graduated from a business school 2 yrs ago and i'm currently working as a small fry associate in a local JV with an American MNC.
i stand by my statement, oh i might add a little for clarification, "the government should gain bulk of their income through trade." so i say trade is a great way to generate income.
it's what nations has been doing since time immemorial. even during the cave dwelling era, humans have been trading between forest dwellers and the seaside dwellers...
i agree that government may generate income through taxes. after all, ppl too, trades and gains income and government reserves the right to tax them. BUT when a government relies too heavily on tax as a source of revenue, it will start to collapse.
name me the government of a nation or country that survives solely on taxing its ppl alone. ridiculous? nay.
oh by the way, i have to clarify just one simple thing. reducing fuel subsidy DOES NOT means income for the government. it is simply a reduced expenditure.
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March 05, 2006 6:18 PM
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March 05, 2006 6:18 PM
I didn't like the photo. I thought it was pure manipulation.
I wouldn't like it either if said public transportation turns out to be MAS.
I wouldn't like it either if said public transportation turns out to be MAS.
Skay,
"...because the money that you give your wives and kids are from your own pocket so why would you wanna tax yourself? LOL"
the same goes to what the government is doing, dear... and as partly in comment of Vincent's early part of his post.
government spend money to generate jobs for the ppl by providing the environment viable for FDI so that income, may flow from outside. but with so much funy taxes, duties and charges, it's like... "what?"
providing such environment and infrastructure IS the duty of the government. how does it goes by it? how does the government get the money needed to do this? same as when we were kids, our father HAS to go to work so that he could provide us our necessities, simply bcoz that's what he should do as a father.
do u see the analogy? simple as that. oh by the way, u dont have to be hostile to me Skay... i'm not looking for a fight anyway, cheers.
"...because the money that you give your wives and kids are from your own pocket so why would you wanna tax yourself? LOL"
the same goes to what the government is doing, dear... and as partly in comment of Vincent's early part of his post.
government spend money to generate jobs for the ppl by providing the environment viable for FDI so that income, may flow from outside. but with so much funy taxes, duties and charges, it's like... "what?"
providing such environment and infrastructure IS the duty of the government. how does it goes by it? how does the government get the money needed to do this? same as when we were kids, our father HAS to go to work so that he could provide us our necessities, simply bcoz that's what he should do as a father.
do u see the analogy? simple as that. oh by the way, u dont have to be hostile to me Skay... i'm not looking for a fight anyway, cheers.
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March 05, 2006 6:25 PM
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March 05, 2006 6:25 PM
LOL...
No need to say much here.
To the little boy who likes to use the word 'fuck', you are a perfect candidate for BN spewing out nonsense about how the funds will be used corrrctly.
Just look around you, you will see gross misuse of tax money. Dildos in roundabouts(penang), bailouts of GLCs, fucked up transport system...
3 types of different rail in a city is NOT GOOD PLANNING.
Unless you stay ignorant for the rest of your life, you will finally see the picture sooner or later.
No need to say much here.
To the little boy who likes to use the word 'fuck', you are a perfect candidate for BN spewing out nonsense about how the funds will be used corrrctly.
Just look around you, you will see gross misuse of tax money. Dildos in roundabouts(penang), bailouts of GLCs, fucked up transport system...
3 types of different rail in a city is NOT GOOD PLANNING.
Unless you stay ignorant for the rest of your life, you will finally see the picture sooner or later.
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March 05, 2006 6:49 PM
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March 05, 2006 6:49 PM
Ok, I'm sorry, some ppl are just too dumb and are such losers that they resort to personal attacks, which is ridiculously irrelevant. Yeah sure...you roughly know me.
Ok, I understand your analogy but I think what you should do is clarify with all those numbskulls up there that it is reduced expenditure so the government can increase the budgetted expediture for other sectors. What you ppl refuse to understand is that OIL is running out in our country and in other countries as well. If not you won't see the States drilling other countries like mad (but using terrorism as excuse). We DO need to improve on our public transportation fast but at the same time develop the poorer states. We need all the money we can get but the Malaysians aren't helping much. They won't plan their finances well, the companies are not increasing the people's wages and improve on their productivity, the govt under the leadership of our new PM have yet to prove himself.
So what we should do is give him some time. You people only want fast results and the results must be seen happening to you alone and not others (like the poor people in the outskirts). Which was why I said that they're grateful because they do see changes happening, but you town folks are complaining because you're not seeing it happening for you.
Ok, I understand your analogy but I think what you should do is clarify with all those numbskulls up there that it is reduced expenditure so the government can increase the budgetted expediture for other sectors. What you ppl refuse to understand is that OIL is running out in our country and in other countries as well. If not you won't see the States drilling other countries like mad (but using terrorism as excuse). We DO need to improve on our public transportation fast but at the same time develop the poorer states. We need all the money we can get but the Malaysians aren't helping much. They won't plan their finances well, the companies are not increasing the people's wages and improve on their productivity, the govt under the leadership of our new PM have yet to prove himself.
So what we should do is give him some time. You people only want fast results and the results must be seen happening to you alone and not others (like the poor people in the outskirts). Which was why I said that they're grateful because they do see changes happening, but you town folks are complaining because you're not seeing it happening for you.
"Ok, I'm sorry, some ppl are just too dumb and are such losers that they resort to personal attacks, which is ridiculously irrelevant. Yeah sure...you roughly know me.
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What? Oh dear, another one that only sees what she wants to see. Who was the one that started insulting others with the f-word and the b-word and all that just for having an alternative opinion on the government's performance?
"OIL is running out in our country and in other countries as well"
Of course, nobody is disputing that. The hike is unavoidable, but the motives behind it at this time is questionable.
"We DO need to improve on our public transportation fast but at the same time develop the poorer states"
We had how many years to do that ? We had a competitive bas mini service in the 90s until they decided to kill off and consolidate competition and award exclusive rights to certain cronies to run public transportation services, which ended up crap due to lack of competition and proper management.
"We need all the money we can get but the Malaysians aren't helping much. They won't plan their finances well, the companies are not increasing the people's wages and improve on their productivity, the govt under the leadership of our new PM have yet to prove himself."
You must be joking. Malaysians are helping a lot! They had to pay for excessive car prices (Cars are a necessity because public transportation cannot cut it!) and other forms of indirect taxes. Non-bumiputras PAY taxes so a lot of mosques can be build in their areas but they had to FORK OUT their own money to build their own churches and temples only to be denied permission to do so. Outside of KL there's no LRT in any other states. The national pride of proton is screwing up the economy and it's the government that is the one ENCOURAGING and MAKING people spend money wantonly and providing EASY credits and loans to finance cars, and refusal to IMPLEMENT MINIMUM WAGE that's why companies are so daring in their abuse.
Fully capable companies like Digi are DENIED 3G licenses because it is not majority owned by bumi cronies. What kind of message does this send to the foreign investors ? Telenor must be very pissed at this kind of policy. I won't blame the investors for giving Malaysia a miss.
The PM has been voted in since 2003 and his honeymoon days are over. He failed to keep many promises during the elections and has betrayed the trust of the people. Everyone of us who has been through that period are convinced he's nothing more than a lame duck seat warmer for the next PM.
Please don't try to educate us over financial management and all that.
You're not working yet, much worse off than Vincent and certainly in no position to talk like you know how to teach everyone else about financial management. The working class do not need any advise from students who're not capable of independence yet, worst still ones who're adamant their opinion carries weight but still financially leeching off her parents. Siew mui mui, the circus is THAT way.
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What? Oh dear, another one that only sees what she wants to see. Who was the one that started insulting others with the f-word and the b-word and all that just for having an alternative opinion on the government's performance?
"OIL is running out in our country and in other countries as well"
Of course, nobody is disputing that. The hike is unavoidable, but the motives behind it at this time is questionable.
"We DO need to improve on our public transportation fast but at the same time develop the poorer states"
We had how many years to do that ? We had a competitive bas mini service in the 90s until they decided to kill off and consolidate competition and award exclusive rights to certain cronies to run public transportation services, which ended up crap due to lack of competition and proper management.
"We need all the money we can get but the Malaysians aren't helping much. They won't plan their finances well, the companies are not increasing the people's wages and improve on their productivity, the govt under the leadership of our new PM have yet to prove himself."
You must be joking. Malaysians are helping a lot! They had to pay for excessive car prices (Cars are a necessity because public transportation cannot cut it!) and other forms of indirect taxes. Non-bumiputras PAY taxes so a lot of mosques can be build in their areas but they had to FORK OUT their own money to build their own churches and temples only to be denied permission to do so. Outside of KL there's no LRT in any other states. The national pride of proton is screwing up the economy and it's the government that is the one ENCOURAGING and MAKING people spend money wantonly and providing EASY credits and loans to finance cars, and refusal to IMPLEMENT MINIMUM WAGE that's why companies are so daring in their abuse.
Fully capable companies like Digi are DENIED 3G licenses because it is not majority owned by bumi cronies. What kind of message does this send to the foreign investors ? Telenor must be very pissed at this kind of policy. I won't blame the investors for giving Malaysia a miss.
The PM has been voted in since 2003 and his honeymoon days are over. He failed to keep many promises during the elections and has betrayed the trust of the people. Everyone of us who has been through that period are convinced he's nothing more than a lame duck seat warmer for the next PM.
Please don't try to educate us over financial management and all that.
You're not working yet, much worse off than Vincent and certainly in no position to talk like you know how to teach everyone else about financial management. The working class do not need any advise from students who're not capable of independence yet, worst still ones who're adamant their opinion carries weight but still financially leeching off her parents. Siew mui mui, the circus is THAT way.
Guys, leave your 2 cents or however much you think it's worth, attack someone else's opinion or judge the government all you want, but stop these personal attacks.
It's ridiculous. You think you're being smart, but you're not. You're proving yourself to be absolutely juvenile. Even if Vincent isn't exactly delivering a message, this really applies in the situation: don't shoot the messenger. This isn't about Vincent, or S-Kay, or anyone else. In any case, focus on the bigger picture: the petrol hike itself.
You know, ask yourself this: if it was anyone else with the exact same thing to say, would you actually retaliate the same way? I really think some of you are just having a go at him. I could be wrong since this is an ASSUMPTION, but if you are, you're being completely foolish. I've said this previously: this isn't about him.
Stop assuming about people. Ask if you want to be enlightened. Maybe you'll get a reply if they don't think you're being a stone in their shoe. You haven't walked in their shoes, you're not leading their lives and you don't know what they do or know. Reading someone's blog does not give you the right to assume you know everything there is to know. You really shouldn't need someone else to tell you all this.
And anonymous comments only say one thing: cowardice. So if you want to say something, don't hide behind your grandmother's skirts.
It's ridiculous. You think you're being smart, but you're not. You're proving yourself to be absolutely juvenile. Even if Vincent isn't exactly delivering a message, this really applies in the situation: don't shoot the messenger. This isn't about Vincent, or S-Kay, or anyone else. In any case, focus on the bigger picture: the petrol hike itself.
You know, ask yourself this: if it was anyone else with the exact same thing to say, would you actually retaliate the same way? I really think some of you are just having a go at him. I could be wrong since this is an ASSUMPTION, but if you are, you're being completely foolish. I've said this previously: this isn't about him.
Stop assuming about people. Ask if you want to be enlightened. Maybe you'll get a reply if they don't think you're being a stone in their shoe. You haven't walked in their shoes, you're not leading their lives and you don't know what they do or know. Reading someone's blog does not give you the right to assume you know everything there is to know. You really shouldn't need someone else to tell you all this.
And anonymous comments only say one thing: cowardice. So if you want to say something, don't hide behind your grandmother's skirts.
Well, give you some slack since you are only 21 yo.
I'm 30 yo this year and i tell you, everything the govt does directly/indirectly affects me and my family.
30 cents increase in petrol? well, its ok to me. But the other policies worries me.
Wait till you have worked for a few years, have your own company to run (as I do), then you'll realise that the world is not as ideal as it is.
Economics theory aside, its the regular folks like me that suffers in the long run.
p.s. Do i think that the govt is raising money for the betterment of regular folks like me? NAh... not a bit.
I'm 30 yo this year and i tell you, everything the govt does directly/indirectly affects me and my family.
30 cents increase in petrol? well, its ok to me. But the other policies worries me.
Wait till you have worked for a few years, have your own company to run (as I do), then you'll realise that the world is not as ideal as it is.
Economics theory aside, its the regular folks like me that suffers in the long run.
p.s. Do i think that the govt is raising money for the betterment of regular folks like me? NAh... not a bit.
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March 05, 2006 7:55 PM
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March 05, 2006 7:55 PM
Alynna.... we have to see a bigger picture here. actually it's not the singular issue of petrol hike u see...
the ppl are not throughly angry for the 30cents increase in fuel, that, ppl still can afford since it's subsidized...
but we have to realise the domino effect of such fuel increase. everything getting more expensive! it's inevitable. and it affects ppl from all walks of life in a great way!
by the way i'm here being a messenger for Vincent from someone else. here's his message as i heard from him, but i wont care much if i were vincent. he's still young and he havent realise alot of stuffs. give him time and space to grow...
"Not worth my time. Let him come out and face some facts of life. From the way he talk, sounds like a wall to me, and I dont like talking to walls.
Furthermore he sounds like a rich arse. And sometimes, its difficult to talk to rich arse cos their opinion are already fixed and he is not gonna change due to some cheap arse comments from someone he dont know.
So just let him be lor... If in real life he talks this way, Iam sure he is only waiting for someone to club him."
the ppl are not throughly angry for the 30cents increase in fuel, that, ppl still can afford since it's subsidized...
but we have to realise the domino effect of such fuel increase. everything getting more expensive! it's inevitable. and it affects ppl from all walks of life in a great way!
by the way i'm here being a messenger for Vincent from someone else. here's his message as i heard from him, but i wont care much if i were vincent. he's still young and he havent realise alot of stuffs. give him time and space to grow...
"Not worth my time. Let him come out and face some facts of life. From the way he talk, sounds like a wall to me, and I dont like talking to walls.
Furthermore he sounds like a rich arse. And sometimes, its difficult to talk to rich arse cos their opinion are already fixed and he is not gonna change due to some cheap arse comments from someone he dont know.
So just let him be lor... If in real life he talks this way, Iam sure he is only waiting for someone to club him."
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March 05, 2006 8:02 PM
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March 05, 2006 8:02 PM
So here's how things work....
I am 21, and haven't seen the world. Hence, I should leave it to the 'grownups' to complain and whine about things that affect it? Pray, educate me folks, should I listen to ALL 'grownups', or just 'grownups' like you - the government haters who has not done a single thing for their country?
You guys claim my opinions do not count because I am 21, you say, but does an opinion from a 45 year old street bum count? How about on the other side of the spectrum? Does an opinion from a 39 year old rich Datuk count? I think not. He will not be spared accusations of being a crony (just like my parents). All because you idiots are bitter that you have a shitty career, all because of your own inadequecies.
You accuse me of not having seen it all - hence unqualified to give my opinion. But have you worn my shoes? Have you walked in my path? Those shoes and those paths moulded my opinions - whether you agree with it or not. Yet, you choose to ignore it, all because you claim to have a more 'difficult' life, you dispel the opinions of people like SKay and myself. Why? Because you are 'poor'?
You look at me and shake your head. I look at you and do the same. Recalcitrant to the last...but at least, I do not dispel the opinions of somebody just because they are of a 'different social class'.
I am 21, and haven't seen the world. Hence, I should leave it to the 'grownups' to complain and whine about things that affect it? Pray, educate me folks, should I listen to ALL 'grownups', or just 'grownups' like you - the government haters who has not done a single thing for their country?
You guys claim my opinions do not count because I am 21, you say, but does an opinion from a 45 year old street bum count? How about on the other side of the spectrum? Does an opinion from a 39 year old rich Datuk count? I think not. He will not be spared accusations of being a crony (just like my parents). All because you idiots are bitter that you have a shitty career, all because of your own inadequecies.
You accuse me of not having seen it all - hence unqualified to give my opinion. But have you worn my shoes? Have you walked in my path? Those shoes and those paths moulded my opinions - whether you agree with it or not. Yet, you choose to ignore it, all because you claim to have a more 'difficult' life, you dispel the opinions of people like SKay and myself. Why? Because you are 'poor'?
You look at me and shake your head. I look at you and do the same. Recalcitrant to the last...but at least, I do not dispel the opinions of somebody just because they are of a 'different social class'.
Maybe if you have more tact in how you present your opinions instead of labelling others idiots, bitches, stupid, fuckers, hypocrites, government haters, etc etc just for having their opinions different from yours, others will probably be more receptive to what you have to say ?
Picking on your age and background is just a side dish. The primary content you delivered, the way you delivered it is what prompted people to give their opinions as such, and usually it's very applicable most of the time.
But there's no excuse when an expat comes to a Muslim country and starts spewing crap like 'Muslims are the cancer of this world.'
Picking on your age and background is just a side dish. The primary content you delivered, the way you delivered it is what prompted people to give their opinions as such, and usually it's very applicable most of the time.
But there's no excuse when an expat comes to a Muslim country and starts spewing crap like 'Muslims are the cancer of this world.'
Juney: You said it yourself that it's inevitable. You made my point too.
Tell whoever it is to stop using you as a messenger and speak for themselves. You didn't read the rest of my earlier comment so let me just say these again:
1) Anonymous comments only mean one thing, and that's cowardice.
2) Don't assume.
3) Again, focus is needed on the bigger picture! Petrol hike, the other increases, whatever. This isn't about Vincent, so think before you guys make personal attacks, alright?
If you guys think you have the capacity to contribute something to this 'discussion', then you should know better.
Why sink so low as to insults or stressing about someone's age? Ultimately, they don't matter. Nothing new or solid is going to surface if people aren't willing to look beyond someone's profile and instead just listen to what they have to say.
Tell whoever it is to stop using you as a messenger and speak for themselves. You didn't read the rest of my earlier comment so let me just say these again:
1) Anonymous comments only mean one thing, and that's cowardice.
2) Don't assume.
3) Again, focus is needed on the bigger picture! Petrol hike, the other increases, whatever. This isn't about Vincent, so think before you guys make personal attacks, alright?
If you guys think you have the capacity to contribute something to this 'discussion', then you should know better.
Why sink so low as to insults or stressing about someone's age? Ultimately, they don't matter. Nothing new or solid is going to surface if people aren't willing to look beyond someone's profile and instead just listen to what they have to say.
Your hypocrisy astounds me yet again. You talk of the way I write, yet, once again, I remind you that I wasn't the one who accused your parents of being MCA cronies.
My content remains my content. You nitpick at it because you do not agree based on your biasedness.
And really, I am not an apologist for the expat, whoever he may be. However, don't act as if you care what people say about the Muslims. I've seen enough Chinese like you to know that you don't give a hoot.
Am I generalising? Oh yeah, just as you were.
My content remains my content. You nitpick at it because you do not agree based on your biasedness.
And really, I am not an apologist for the expat, whoever he may be. However, don't act as if you care what people say about the Muslims. I've seen enough Chinese like you to know that you don't give a hoot.
Am I generalising? Oh yeah, just as you were.
i'm a 21-yr-old brat who lives at home, drives to class every day using a car my parents bought and pays for petrol using money the government gives me every month in return for good grades and a 10-year service to the country so obviously my opinions will be brushed off as worthless.
am just here to see when the comment count hits 100.
am just here to see when the comment count hits 100.
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March 05, 2006 8:56 PM
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March 05, 2006 8:56 PM
who's this shadowfox anyway? he seems to be so free to be arguing with this kid... c'mon...
i only have this one advice for him...
"do not wrestle with a pig in a mudpool. the more u wrestle, the dirtier u get and well, the pig is happy!"
B-Y-E!
i only have this one advice for him...
"do not wrestle with a pig in a mudpool. the more u wrestle, the dirtier u get and well, the pig is happy!"
B-Y-E!
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posted by :
March 05, 2006 9:12 PM
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March 05, 2006 9:12 PM
S-kay,
I can't afford it does not mean that I have no money, nor that my financial planning is bad. It also does not mean that I am from a lower social class. I just that I do not want to spend money on over inflated things which will become more expensive eventually with the fuel price hike.
Reading your comment, I believed you already know that having the means, does not necessary mean that one should buy whatever he/she wants, right.
If you have not notice, prices of food and goods have gone up since the fuel hike. I feel the pinch, how about the rest of the poeple that earns significantly less than me?.
Thanks for the tip, though I do not need it.
I can't afford it does not mean that I have no money, nor that my financial planning is bad. It also does not mean that I am from a lower social class. I just that I do not want to spend money on over inflated things which will become more expensive eventually with the fuel price hike.
Reading your comment, I believed you already know that having the means, does not necessary mean that one should buy whatever he/she wants, right.
If you have not notice, prices of food and goods have gone up since the fuel hike. I feel the pinch, how about the rest of the poeple that earns significantly less than me?.
Thanks for the tip, though I do not need it.
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posted by :
March 05, 2006 9:36 PM
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March 05, 2006 9:36 PM
this place is a riot.
i share vince's view that we ought swallow the hike
... yet, am not ignorant to the fact that our public transport system is 50 years behind singapore.
i sympathize with the people.
i share vince's view that we ought swallow the hike
... yet, am not ignorant to the fact that our public transport system is 50 years behind singapore.
i sympathize with the people.
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posted by :
March 05, 2006 10:06 PM
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March 05, 2006 10:06 PM
young adults these days lived a sheltered life. thanks to the parents. actually, their opinions are invaluable coz how they think will affect the whole country just like the petrol prices. you see, one day, they will finish with their studies and come work with you or worse, work for you! hahahah.
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posted by :
March 05, 2006 10:11 PM
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March 05, 2006 10:11 PM
metal : According to these ppl...Your opinions are not valid! You are a small kid out just out of uni and just started work! Muahaha..
Lol. You desperate to find allies ahz? Metal did not even state his age and status. Win liao. It's the hikes will be a permenant thing. In fact, It's a mere occurence to show that the people still dare to speak up.
If more than five singaporeans gather together for a riot, they need to apply for a license. Think of it.
If more than five singaporeans gather together for a riot, they need to apply for a license. Think of it.
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posted by :
March 06, 2006 12:16 AM
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March 06, 2006 12:16 AM
You again, like you have always been...ASSUMING crap and making nice beef patties out of it.
It doesn't mean that I don't know Metal just because he didn't leave his URL and details.
Would you like a link to his blog? You can find it on my sidebar.
Btw...win? Win what? Are you like 10? Was this ever a competition? A contest? Would you like a prize for the most number of idiotic posts?
It doesn't mean that I don't know Metal just because he didn't leave his URL and details.
Would you like a link to his blog? You can find it on my sidebar.
Btw...win? Win what? Are you like 10? Was this ever a competition? A contest? Would you like a prize for the most number of idiotic posts?
In replying to your most recently modified blog entry,
The people generally NOT happy are not just the Chinese anymore. You assume it's only the Chinese unhappy with the govt. Most of the recent protesters in KLCC are Malays. In fact, ALL of the protesters in Malaysia's recent history, that are high profile, are mostly ALL Malays. Ever since the 1998 Anwar/Reformasi issue, Malays have been split.
You are so damn shallow at singling out just the Chinese.
The Malays are also voicing out their displeasure as well and even more vocal!
It's no longer a race or NEP only issue. The NEP excuse was to help the hardcore Malays, now it's just a smokescreen to sustain/justify the existence of the powers that be and making only the connected cronies DIRT RICH, not bring them away from hardcore poverty.
Whatever EXCUSE you make for NEP now, it is no longer feasible and viable to keep it in the modern world. It simply will not work anymore, and Malaysia's competitiveness and FDI will be affected. The Digi fiasco of 3G license lost is an example. There's even an attempt now to EXTEND the NEP to apply to even Foreign Investors to give up a considerable share of their invested companies in Malaysia. It does not matter what you or me think, whether NEP should be kept or not. The fact is even if it stays on forever, it will definitely have an impact on our competitiveness with the rest of the region.
In general, I believe Malaysians are unhappy with the way things are with the current situation. But being the idiot that you are, you try to turn this into a Chinese-Bashing issue to divert attention away from your shallow understanding of everything.
Oh btw, if your parents weren't MCA cronies, you would've easily just denied and countered that, but instead you kept silent. I am pretty sure I am spot on when I make that guess.
I'll leave this discussion as such here, and I will take the advise of a poster who tells me not to waste time 'wrestling with pigs'.
You may now resume feeding your pride and bruised ego, displaying to the world whatever it is the limited knowledge you have on current affairs.
The people generally NOT happy are not just the Chinese anymore. You assume it's only the Chinese unhappy with the govt. Most of the recent protesters in KLCC are Malays. In fact, ALL of the protesters in Malaysia's recent history, that are high profile, are mostly ALL Malays. Ever since the 1998 Anwar/Reformasi issue, Malays have been split.
You are so damn shallow at singling out just the Chinese.
The Malays are also voicing out their displeasure as well and even more vocal!
It's no longer a race or NEP only issue. The NEP excuse was to help the hardcore Malays, now it's just a smokescreen to sustain/justify the existence of the powers that be and making only the connected cronies DIRT RICH, not bring them away from hardcore poverty.
Whatever EXCUSE you make for NEP now, it is no longer feasible and viable to keep it in the modern world. It simply will not work anymore, and Malaysia's competitiveness and FDI will be affected. The Digi fiasco of 3G license lost is an example. There's even an attempt now to EXTEND the NEP to apply to even Foreign Investors to give up a considerable share of their invested companies in Malaysia. It does not matter what you or me think, whether NEP should be kept or not. The fact is even if it stays on forever, it will definitely have an impact on our competitiveness with the rest of the region.
In general, I believe Malaysians are unhappy with the way things are with the current situation. But being the idiot that you are, you try to turn this into a Chinese-Bashing issue to divert attention away from your shallow understanding of everything.
Oh btw, if your parents weren't MCA cronies, you would've easily just denied and countered that, but instead you kept silent. I am pretty sure I am spot on when I make that guess.
I'll leave this discussion as such here, and I will take the advise of a poster who tells me not to waste time 'wrestling with pigs'.
You may now resume feeding your pride and bruised ego, displaying to the world whatever it is the limited knowledge you have on current affairs.
i come from terengganu, and a family with a weak financial background. the house at home is a 2 room rented terrace, and my used to drive a car which was so old and rusty that there's hole at the place where the person next to the driver puts his feet. only a few months ago when the car finally broke down, a well-off uncle of mine bought him a new car, a proton, which is now being paid by my uncle by installment.
realising that, i worked extra hard in high school and finally manage to get myself a scholarship to go overseas to study. eversince i left for the uk, i've stopped relying on my parent for financial support, even when i came back. not only that, i even sometimes use my allowance to help my family and saved a portion of it to kick start my working life. in the summer, i rented out my room to make some money. i've done a couple of jobs over the holidays, and i use my acquired skill in programming to make websites for people who wants to hire me.
hope that qualifies me to write in this comment box.
i think the hike will definitely affect people, one way or another. be it for people to go to school/work, increase in prices of food, etc.
i don't know though whether the govt will invest the money saved from the subsidy for the right purpose or not, regardless of whether or not they misused it in the past.
1 question at hand, and i think it is the better thing to ponder upon, now that everyone have already had their own say: how can we cope with the current situation (the increase of prices), in terms of how we can save money, reduce expenditure etc?
realising that, i worked extra hard in high school and finally manage to get myself a scholarship to go overseas to study. eversince i left for the uk, i've stopped relying on my parent for financial support, even when i came back. not only that, i even sometimes use my allowance to help my family and saved a portion of it to kick start my working life. in the summer, i rented out my room to make some money. i've done a couple of jobs over the holidays, and i use my acquired skill in programming to make websites for people who wants to hire me.
hope that qualifies me to write in this comment box.
i think the hike will definitely affect people, one way or another. be it for people to go to school/work, increase in prices of food, etc.
i don't know though whether the govt will invest the money saved from the subsidy for the right purpose or not, regardless of whether or not they misused it in the past.
1 question at hand, and i think it is the better thing to ponder upon, now that everyone have already had their own say: how can we cope with the current situation (the increase of prices), in terms of how we can save money, reduce expenditure etc?
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March 06, 2006 3:39 AM
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March 06, 2006 3:39 AM
This is a good discussion, but what irks me is the approach.
Joseph Farell once quoted
"If you go in for an argument, take care of your temper. Your logic, if you have any, will take care of itself."
Lets respect our rights to be different. Without arguments, there can be no progress.
Stop flaming each other, stop calling each other names, stop using profanities, stop being mean and personal!
Afterall, we can do this constructively can't we?
Joseph Farell once quoted
"If you go in for an argument, take care of your temper. Your logic, if you have any, will take care of itself."
Lets respect our rights to be different. Without arguments, there can be no progress.
Stop flaming each other, stop calling each other names, stop using profanities, stop being mean and personal!
Afterall, we can do this constructively can't we?
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posted by :
March 06, 2006 5:20 AM
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March 06, 2006 5:20 AM
ShadowFox: Why are you so bitter?
'You may now resume feeding your pride and bruised ego, displaying to the world whatever it is the limited knowledge you have on current affairs.'
I mean proving Vincent wrong isn't going to change a thing for you. I don't see what's the point of proving your point to someone like Vincent who is NEVER going to agree with you anyway. And even if he did agree with you, would two people with YOUR mentality make a difference to Malaysia?
All you do is complain. Heck, the people on the road making protests, that's what they're doing, complaining. Yes, the petrol hikes are atrocious, I'm a working adult living in a single-parent family, who had to work her way through form six and sit through the local university system just to get a job so just you pause there before you accuse me of being someone who eats out of her parent's palm.
But you tell me one thing, what's going to work, working harder so that we can afford the price hikes, so that we wouldn't need to complain, so that we may actually CONTRIBUTE in kind to the needs of the country WITHOUT complaining about having to contribute (either in taxes or paying for price hikes), or sitting down, replying comment after comment that comes from Vincent and Skay and whoever seems to undermine your intelligence, and calling other people pigs and idiots who are testing your idiocy.
No wonder you hide in the shadows. Foxes are usually more cunning. What a pity.
'You may now resume feeding your pride and bruised ego, displaying to the world whatever it is the limited knowledge you have on current affairs.'
I mean proving Vincent wrong isn't going to change a thing for you. I don't see what's the point of proving your point to someone like Vincent who is NEVER going to agree with you anyway. And even if he did agree with you, would two people with YOUR mentality make a difference to Malaysia?
All you do is complain. Heck, the people on the road making protests, that's what they're doing, complaining. Yes, the petrol hikes are atrocious, I'm a working adult living in a single-parent family, who had to work her way through form six and sit through the local university system just to get a job so just you pause there before you accuse me of being someone who eats out of her parent's palm.
But you tell me one thing, what's going to work, working harder so that we can afford the price hikes, so that we wouldn't need to complain, so that we may actually CONTRIBUTE in kind to the needs of the country WITHOUT complaining about having to contribute (either in taxes or paying for price hikes), or sitting down, replying comment after comment that comes from Vincent and Skay and whoever seems to undermine your intelligence, and calling other people pigs and idiots who are testing your idiocy.
No wonder you hide in the shadows. Foxes are usually more cunning. What a pity.
Well, just my PERSONAL view, so please please please don't bash me with personal attacks or target my parents ya? LOL, that goes to you Shadowfox especially, i dont want to the involved with your holy crusade against the government.
yes. Petrol price hikes hurts, but the government have been subsidizing our petrols for ages, and now the petrol prices on the global market have skyrocketed. Its logical for them to reduce the subsidies given. Simple as that.
In fact, the rise in petrol prices globally far outstrips the price in the subsidized petrol prices i believe (didn't check to confirm so i might be wrong). So, then, have you considered that the government is actually subsidizing more as compared to maybe a year ago in absolute terms?
Correct me if I am wrong again, we have been experiencing budgetary deficit in the recent years and such deficits could not last long without causing damage in the long run. And huge petrol subsidies is certainly a component of the deficit.
Nah.. my point of view.
yes. Petrol price hikes hurts, but the government have been subsidizing our petrols for ages, and now the petrol prices on the global market have skyrocketed. Its logical for them to reduce the subsidies given. Simple as that.
In fact, the rise in petrol prices globally far outstrips the price in the subsidized petrol prices i believe (didn't check to confirm so i might be wrong). So, then, have you considered that the government is actually subsidizing more as compared to maybe a year ago in absolute terms?
Correct me if I am wrong again, we have been experiencing budgetary deficit in the recent years and such deficits could not last long without causing damage in the long run. And huge petrol subsidies is certainly a component of the deficit.
Nah.. my point of view.
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posted by :
March 06, 2006 9:44 AM
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March 06, 2006 9:44 AM
Guys, you come to his website and insult Vince, it is rude. Like coming to his home and calling him names. Please go somewhere else.
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posted by :
March 06, 2006 10:05 AM
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March 06, 2006 10:05 AM
minislut: does your comment IMPLY you are smarter than most ppl?
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posted by :
March 06, 2006 10:20 AM
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March 06, 2006 10:20 AM
Guys, chinese and malays aside...
At least these people are taking it to the street to show the resistance, instead of wasting time posting on blog's comment and flaming each other.
As stupid as it may look for the Malays, but they probably smart enough knew that victory is easier to achieve, voice is easier to be heard if we take it to the street, instead of posting black and white at some blog or writing comments to newspaper...
I for one believe it was NOT the government's fault in the price hike fiasco. The fault is on the system! With each racial sector not treated equally, there will ALWAYS be biasing. No point arguing that now.
I own a very thirsty car with a transplanted engine and although it hurts my wallet more now, I still not complaining coz I know it'll be futile as long as the system is this way.
At least these people are taking it to the street to show the resistance, instead of wasting time posting on blog's comment and flaming each other.
As stupid as it may look for the Malays, but they probably smart enough knew that victory is easier to achieve, voice is easier to be heard if we take it to the street, instead of posting black and white at some blog or writing comments to newspaper...
I for one believe it was NOT the government's fault in the price hike fiasco. The fault is on the system! With each racial sector not treated equally, there will ALWAYS be biasing. No point arguing that now.
I own a very thirsty car with a transplanted engine and although it hurts my wallet more now, I still not complaining coz I know it'll be futile as long as the system is this way.
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March 06, 2006 11:04 AM
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March 06, 2006 11:04 AM
Vincent, no matter what you say to justify your opinions yadaa yadaa, I think it won't be of any use anyway. People like Shadowfox (especially him) will continue to use the personal attack approach on those who's not on the same wavelength as him (as you can see from all his lashings and bashings about the govt in his own blog, it's a wonder that he hasn't yet pack his bags and move abroad)
He is undermining his own intelligence himself with the anger he has for the government.
So what if I'm young? At least I know everyone has two choices in life and in this case, you either let the petrol price hike affect you like shit or you do something about it to help yourself. The life is yours, and not the governments. They're just external factors affecting your comfort in life. That's all. A great example would be the hawker stall owners. They had two choices, to increase the price of their food or to maintain it and most chose to maintain the price because they'd rather keep their customers and earn a lil less profit (they would still be profiting just that they will only see a bigger sum in a longer period). And yeah yeah, ppl like Shadowfox would probably come saying, "A young kid teaching people how to blablablabla" but let me tell you something, if a 7 year old kid can understand that, why can't you?
You can't expect everyone to accept your opinions and so can't we. So quit on all the useless ridiculous and pointless personal attacks on whoever who crosses you. It's so pathetic because you're acting like a lil kid throwing a tantrum when he can't get things his way.
He is undermining his own intelligence himself with the anger he has for the government.
So what if I'm young? At least I know everyone has two choices in life and in this case, you either let the petrol price hike affect you like shit or you do something about it to help yourself. The life is yours, and not the governments. They're just external factors affecting your comfort in life. That's all. A great example would be the hawker stall owners. They had two choices, to increase the price of their food or to maintain it and most chose to maintain the price because they'd rather keep their customers and earn a lil less profit (they would still be profiting just that they will only see a bigger sum in a longer period). And yeah yeah, ppl like Shadowfox would probably come saying, "A young kid teaching people how to blablablabla" but let me tell you something, if a 7 year old kid can understand that, why can't you?
You can't expect everyone to accept your opinions and so can't we. So quit on all the useless ridiculous and pointless personal attacks on whoever who crosses you. It's so pathetic because you're acting like a lil kid throwing a tantrum when he can't get things his way.
ok i have only just read this post, and i havnt taken the time to read all the replies here..so ill just add my 2 cents worth based on the post alone.
I do agree with your view that the government has to increase the petrol price to raise money for other areas. I think we should all be thankful that the government is already subsidizing part of the petrol cost, and that we are not paying the same amount as others around the world.
I also agree that it is best for the government to increase the price once, instead of doing it a few times through the year. This is so that other businesses will only increase their prices once, and not keep using it as an excuse to charge more. Besides...it would really get tiresome to see ppl complaining every 4-5 months about another hike.
But i think there still needs to be a balance between price of cars and petrol. We cant keep paying ridiculous prices for cars while also bearing the brunt of rising fuel costs. That isnt fair for the ppl. I rmb my economics teacher from Canada saying how amazed he was that people here take an average of 5-6 years to pay off a car loan, when over there ppl can pay it off in less than a year.
About the picture. I understand your concern, but do you really expect them to start burning flags and shouting "Down with Abdullah!!"? They are just trying to get their point across in as many ways as possible. Granted there is the possibility of a riot, but realistically would that happen? I doubt it.
I do agree with your view that the government has to increase the petrol price to raise money for other areas. I think we should all be thankful that the government is already subsidizing part of the petrol cost, and that we are not paying the same amount as others around the world.
I also agree that it is best for the government to increase the price once, instead of doing it a few times through the year. This is so that other businesses will only increase their prices once, and not keep using it as an excuse to charge more. Besides...it would really get tiresome to see ppl complaining every 4-5 months about another hike.
But i think there still needs to be a balance between price of cars and petrol. We cant keep paying ridiculous prices for cars while also bearing the brunt of rising fuel costs. That isnt fair for the ppl. I rmb my economics teacher from Canada saying how amazed he was that people here take an average of 5-6 years to pay off a car loan, when over there ppl can pay it off in less than a year.
About the picture. I understand your concern, but do you really expect them to start burning flags and shouting "Down with Abdullah!!"? They are just trying to get their point across in as many ways as possible. Granted there is the possibility of a riot, but realistically would that happen? I doubt it.
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March 06, 2006 2:07 PM
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March 06, 2006 2:07 PM
"Granted there is the possibility of a riot, but realistically would that happen? I doubt it."
Dun doubt it man...I was in HK end of last year (a week before Christmas). A whole group of Korean farmers were allowed into HK because the govt believed that they were here for a peaceful riot outside the convention centre where the WTO meeting was held (there were only old korean women and men). They were really peaceful. They distributed flowers, balloons and sorta had a very peaceful campaign going on UNTIL the second day when WTO continued with their meeting and they felt that they could not get their points across, they resorted to violent attacks on the police and started burning and destroying things which caused the whole district to be closed to public for 2 days.
The point is, peaceful riot or not...there is a possibility of it turning violent because you won't know which moron (or someone taking advantage of the situation) would suddenly instigate for the protest to move towards a more violent path. Better safe than sorry. Keep your children at home.
Gosh...I hope no one continues on this topic...it's SO not about fuel.
Dun doubt it man...I was in HK end of last year (a week before Christmas). A whole group of Korean farmers were allowed into HK because the govt believed that they were here for a peaceful riot outside the convention centre where the WTO meeting was held (there were only old korean women and men). They were really peaceful. They distributed flowers, balloons and sorta had a very peaceful campaign going on UNTIL the second day when WTO continued with their meeting and they felt that they could not get their points across, they resorted to violent attacks on the police and started burning and destroying things which caused the whole district to be closed to public for 2 days.
The point is, peaceful riot or not...there is a possibility of it turning violent because you won't know which moron (or someone taking advantage of the situation) would suddenly instigate for the protest to move towards a more violent path. Better safe than sorry. Keep your children at home.
Gosh...I hope no one continues on this topic...it's SO not about fuel.
Seriously.At least I am not using my emotions to rule my logic and start treating everyone's opinions as crap. You are the one that sound like you need to win through letting your emotions leak through your words. It's ok if you think my posts are idiotic. It just makes me feel happier that you are riled up by those. If those are crap...you are sure getting crappy. Talking about impact of fuel hike are always assumptions but as long as the impacts are logical, it is a possible situation. And therefore, reasonable.
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March 06, 2006 5:41 PM
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March 06, 2006 5:41 PM
"The hike is crazy especially when Malaysia is an oil producer. But how is it that Brunei and Arab Saudi can afford low fuel prices? The Malaysian government is not transparent about something so essential..."
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posted by :
March 06, 2006 11:31 PM
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March 06, 2006 11:31 PM
jabba says
probably you gotta think out of the box a little, owning a computer isn't the higher end of the spectrum, fuel are used in various forms, one forms affects another. it is a basic necessity. fuel to power generators to power your whiz ass computer so you can blog. maybe your pc uses solar power unlike the rest of us.
however, the worrying thought is never about these slight increases, at the very core, corruption spawned into the very infrastructure that keeps the country in one piece and further corrupting our system. at my poorer end, i am sure you dont want me stick a big fork in your ass because then i have nothing to lose.
btw, are you still staying with your parents? get a place on your own, and see how far it stretches your wallet, you can be vincent lau for all i care, a fork doesnt know the difference.
probably you gotta think out of the box a little, owning a computer isn't the higher end of the spectrum, fuel are used in various forms, one forms affects another. it is a basic necessity. fuel to power generators to power your whiz ass computer so you can blog. maybe your pc uses solar power unlike the rest of us.
however, the worrying thought is never about these slight increases, at the very core, corruption spawned into the very infrastructure that keeps the country in one piece and further corrupting our system. at my poorer end, i am sure you dont want me stick a big fork in your ass because then i have nothing to lose.
btw, are you still staying with your parents? get a place on your own, and see how far it stretches your wallet, you can be vincent lau for all i care, a fork doesnt know the difference.
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posted by :
March 07, 2006 3:52 PM
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March 07, 2006 3:52 PM
Bagaimana hendak ubah gaya hidup jika ...
Rozmal Malakan
Letter to Editor
www.malaysiakini.com
Mar 7, 06 3:48pm
Selaras dengan seruan Timbalan Perdana Menteri Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak
supaya rakyat mengubah gaya hidup bagi menampung kesan kenaikan minyak,
berikut diberikan beberapa panduan kepada pelbagai lapisan golongan
masyarakat – dari golongan rakyat kepada pemimpin rakyat dan daripada
golongan miskin ke golongan kaya – untuk mengubah gaya hidup mereka.
Jika sebelum ini kita kerap makan luar, amalkanlah makan dirumah. Jikalau
tiada masa untuk memasak, pastikan mempunyai simpanan mi segera yang
banyak. Tetapi kalau orang yang memang tidak pernah makan luar kerana duit
belanja dapur hanya cukup untuk makan d irumah, macam mana mereka hendak
mengubah gaya hidup mereka?
Jika sebelum ini kita menghantar anak ke sekolah dengan kereta kita, hanya
anak kita seorang, maka sekarang kita berpakatlah dengan jiran-jiran untuk
bergilir-gilir menghantar anak-anak ke sekolah. Tetapi kalau sekarang pun
sudah ramai anak jiran yang menumpang kereta kita, macamana kita hendak
mengubah gaya hidup?
Jika sebelum ini kita menaiki kereta ke tempat kerja, maka usahakanlah
untuk menaiki motosikal. Tetapi kalau kita memang dari dulu naik motosikal,
bagaimana kita hendak mengubah gaya hidup?
Jika sebelum ini kita kerap melancong ke luar negara, maka mulai sekarang
melanconglah di dalam negara. Tetapi kalau kita memang tidak pernah pergi
melancong ke mana-mana, hanya balik beraya di kampung, bagaimana kita
hendak mengubah gaya hidup?
Jika sebelum ini anak kita bawa wang saku RM1 ke sekolah untuk membeli
makanan, maka mulai sekarang buatkanlah bekal untuk anak-anak kita. Tetapi
kalau anak-anak kita dari dulu lagi kita sudah bekalkan makanan ke sekolah
kerana tidak mampu beri wang saku, bagaimana kita hendak mengubah gaya hidup?
Jika sebelum ini kita kerap menonton wayang, berhibur, maka mulai sekarang
duduklah sahaja berhibur di rumah, menonton televisyen, bermain dengan
anak-anak. Tetapi kalau memang dari dulu kita berhibur dengan menonton
televisyen di rumah dan bermain dengan anak-anak, bagaimana kita hendak
mengubah gaya hidup?
Jika sebelum ini kita kerap membeli pakaian baru hampir setiap bulan, maka
mulai sekarang belilah pakaian baru setahun sekali masa hari raya sahaja.
Tetapi kalau kita sekarang pun kita membeli pakaian baru apabila pakaian
lama sudah koyak atau lusuh, bagaimana kita hendak ubah gaya hidup?
Jika sebelum ini kita merokok sekotak dua kotak sehari, maka mulai sekarang
hisaplah sekotak atau dua kotak seminggu atau berhenti terus. Tapi kalau
kita dari dulu pun tidak merokok, bagaimana kita hendak mengubah gaya hidup?
Banyak lagi contoh yang boleh dibawa di sini, cuma tidak mampu hendak
menulisnya.
Kesimpulannya, orang yang hidup mewah, orang yang berada, buat apa mereka
hendak susah-susah untuk mengubah gaya hidup mereka kerana mereka masih
mampu untuk berbelanja walaupun minyak naik lebih 30 sen seliter.
Orang yang sederhana hidupnya dan berjimat-cermat mungkin masih dapat
bertahan. Bagi orang yang susah, yang tidak boleh lagi mengubah gaya hidup,
mereka hanya mampu menadah tangan dan berdoa atau menadah tangan untuk
mengemis. Takutilah doa-doa golongan yang sebegini.
Rozmal Malakan
Letter to Editor
www.malaysiakini.com
Mar 7, 06 3:48pm
Selaras dengan seruan Timbalan Perdana Menteri Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak
supaya rakyat mengubah gaya hidup bagi menampung kesan kenaikan minyak,
berikut diberikan beberapa panduan kepada pelbagai lapisan golongan
masyarakat – dari golongan rakyat kepada pemimpin rakyat dan daripada
golongan miskin ke golongan kaya – untuk mengubah gaya hidup mereka.
Jika sebelum ini kita kerap makan luar, amalkanlah makan dirumah. Jikalau
tiada masa untuk memasak, pastikan mempunyai simpanan mi segera yang
banyak. Tetapi kalau orang yang memang tidak pernah makan luar kerana duit
belanja dapur hanya cukup untuk makan d irumah, macam mana mereka hendak
mengubah gaya hidup mereka?
Jika sebelum ini kita menghantar anak ke sekolah dengan kereta kita, hanya
anak kita seorang, maka sekarang kita berpakatlah dengan jiran-jiran untuk
bergilir-gilir menghantar anak-anak ke sekolah. Tetapi kalau sekarang pun
sudah ramai anak jiran yang menumpang kereta kita, macamana kita hendak
mengubah gaya hidup?
Jika sebelum ini kita menaiki kereta ke tempat kerja, maka usahakanlah
untuk menaiki motosikal. Tetapi kalau kita memang dari dulu naik motosikal,
bagaimana kita hendak mengubah gaya hidup?
Jika sebelum ini kita kerap melancong ke luar negara, maka mulai sekarang
melanconglah di dalam negara. Tetapi kalau kita memang tidak pernah pergi
melancong ke mana-mana, hanya balik beraya di kampung, bagaimana kita
hendak mengubah gaya hidup?
Jika sebelum ini anak kita bawa wang saku RM1 ke sekolah untuk membeli
makanan, maka mulai sekarang buatkanlah bekal untuk anak-anak kita. Tetapi
kalau anak-anak kita dari dulu lagi kita sudah bekalkan makanan ke sekolah
kerana tidak mampu beri wang saku, bagaimana kita hendak mengubah gaya hidup?
Jika sebelum ini kita kerap menonton wayang, berhibur, maka mulai sekarang
duduklah sahaja berhibur di rumah, menonton televisyen, bermain dengan
anak-anak. Tetapi kalau memang dari dulu kita berhibur dengan menonton
televisyen di rumah dan bermain dengan anak-anak, bagaimana kita hendak
mengubah gaya hidup?
Jika sebelum ini kita kerap membeli pakaian baru hampir setiap bulan, maka
mulai sekarang belilah pakaian baru setahun sekali masa hari raya sahaja.
Tetapi kalau kita sekarang pun kita membeli pakaian baru apabila pakaian
lama sudah koyak atau lusuh, bagaimana kita hendak ubah gaya hidup?
Jika sebelum ini kita merokok sekotak dua kotak sehari, maka mulai sekarang
hisaplah sekotak atau dua kotak seminggu atau berhenti terus. Tapi kalau
kita dari dulu pun tidak merokok, bagaimana kita hendak mengubah gaya hidup?
Banyak lagi contoh yang boleh dibawa di sini, cuma tidak mampu hendak
menulisnya.
Kesimpulannya, orang yang hidup mewah, orang yang berada, buat apa mereka
hendak susah-susah untuk mengubah gaya hidup mereka kerana mereka masih
mampu untuk berbelanja walaupun minyak naik lebih 30 sen seliter.
Orang yang sederhana hidupnya dan berjimat-cermat mungkin masih dapat
bertahan. Bagi orang yang susah, yang tidak boleh lagi mengubah gaya hidup,
mereka hanya mampu menadah tangan dan berdoa atau menadah tangan untuk
mengemis. Takutilah doa-doa golongan yang sebegini.
#
posted by :
March 07, 2006 6:38 PM
:
March 07, 2006 6:38 PM
‘Understanding’ won’t put food on table
C Nimitz
Letter to Editor
www.malaysiakini.com
Mar 7, 06 3:51pm
I refer to the letter by Paul Ooi of Colorado entitled Oil prices in
Malaysia still cheaper. I must say Ooi's comparison of petrol prices in
Malaysia and the US is not logical, to say the least. He implies that we
Malaysians should not be so agitated over the recent hike in petrol prices
because we are paying US$2 per gallon while the Americans, Japanese and
Hong Kongites are paying US$2.35, US$3.50 and US$4.50 respectively.
I am totally surprised that it did not occur to a well-traveled person like
Ooi that Malaysians make much less than the people in the three places he
named. Malaysia has a GDP per capita of US$10,400 while the United States,
Japan and Hong Kong have a GDP per capita of US$41,800, US$30,400 and
US$36,800 respectively. Now, is Ooi actually saying that someone who makes
US$10,000 a year and pays US$2 for each gallon of petrol is better off than
a person who makes US$40,000 a year but pays US$2.35 (a mere US$0.35 more)
for each gallon of petrol? Doesn't make that much sense, does it?
I'm tired of the usual banner of 'oil prices in Malaysia are still cheaper
when compared to others' every time price hikes take place. The government
must think we Malaysians are a bunch of donkeys. The fact is, despite the
mediocre education the government gives to most of us, we can actually do
simple maths. If the government had really done its job all these decades,
we would not be plagued by corruption and wastage and would be doing so
much better in the income and purchasing power departments. The issue of
oil subsidy would not even arise as we can then afford to pay for
unsubsidised fuel.
The government also launches into elaborate explanations as to why we need
to reduce subsidies for fuel and inject the salvaged money into ‘much
needed’ development. But since the past four or five price hikes, our
development has remained at that -‘ much needed’. Can anybody honestly say
that the public transportation system in our country has improved ever so
tremendously so as to finally allow us to depend on it to get to work, to
school, to the market, the court, the hospital, for meetings, etc?
Okay, so we understand the pressing economic need to put our money in
development, money which will otherwise be wasted away in fuel subsidies.
Understanding, however, does not put food on our tables. Despite our
comprehension of the economics of fuel subsidies, we still cannot make ends
meet. I'm not against the idea of development. It's just that for the past
18 months or so, petrol prices have increased about 40%, diesel prices
about 100% and I have not had 1% of increase in my pay. How, pray tell, am
I supposed to cope with this increase in the cost of living? The saying
goes that by the time you can make ends meet, they move the ends. In my
case, I was not even close to making the ends meet, and they have already
moved the ends.
For the benefit of Ooi, I present the typical monthly expenses of a
middle-income earner in Kuala Lumpur:
Salary: RM2,600 (after EPF and tax deductions)
Minus:
Housing: RM300
Car loan: RM500
Study loan: RM200
Phone and Internet: RM150
Insurance: RM180
Petrol (lives a distance away from KL to take advantage of lower house
rent) - new price: RM600
Toll: RM180
Salary left for food: RM490
No savings, no entertainment budget, no new clothing, not much to give the
family. And when the time is up for car insurance and road tax, credit card
debt is incurred. Please don't tell this person to take public transport.
First of all, public transport does not reach where he is living. Secondly,
I really would not dare to ask him to rely on the public transport to get
to work and meetings on time. If he is a lawyer, then he definitely does
not want to take public transport unless he doesn’t mind his cases being
struck out by the court due to his late appearance.
If that is the life of a middle-income earner, my heart really goes out to
the low-income earner.
I do not think Malaysians are being unreasonable about the hike in fuel
prices. Trying to make ends meet and making sure the family has enough food
is not unreasonable. Feeling desperate and angry when price hikes takes
away the ability to buy enough food for the family is not unreasonable.
Unreasonable is when one complains about having to buy less Gucci shoes.
Unreasonable is when one tells his countrymen to change their already
marginalised lifestyles when he himself is driven around in luxury cars
while living in mansions and having his petrol paid for by the rakyat's
taxmoney. Unreasonable is when one tells people earning less than RM1,000 a
month to tighten their already tight belts when he himself dines on the
finest food in the finest ambience.
Coming back to Ooi, since he had so selflessly offered advice to
spendthrift and inconsiderate petrol-gulping Malaysians to change their
lifestyle, allow me to reciprocate his kindness. My advice to Ooi is to
come back to Malaysia, make Malaysian ringgit and pay US$2 for a gallon of
petrol. Ooi can also practise what he preaches about reviewing 'our petrol
consumption patterns'. In saying this, Ooi joins Noor Yahaya Hamzah of New
Zealand in admonishing Malaysians over their reluctance to walk or ride a
bicycle instead of taking the car.
Notice how these people are always those who live outside Malaysia? They
give their patronising advice from their comfortable homes in First World
countries with First World incomes and comfortable climate. It would not be
so easy to mete out such generous advice if you were living in a Third
World developing nation with your Third World income and sweltering heat.
C Nimitz
Letter to Editor
www.malaysiakini.com
Mar 7, 06 3:51pm
I refer to the letter by Paul Ooi of Colorado entitled Oil prices in
Malaysia still cheaper. I must say Ooi's comparison of petrol prices in
Malaysia and the US is not logical, to say the least. He implies that we
Malaysians should not be so agitated over the recent hike in petrol prices
because we are paying US$2 per gallon while the Americans, Japanese and
Hong Kongites are paying US$2.35, US$3.50 and US$4.50 respectively.
I am totally surprised that it did not occur to a well-traveled person like
Ooi that Malaysians make much less than the people in the three places he
named. Malaysia has a GDP per capita of US$10,400 while the United States,
Japan and Hong Kong have a GDP per capita of US$41,800, US$30,400 and
US$36,800 respectively. Now, is Ooi actually saying that someone who makes
US$10,000 a year and pays US$2 for each gallon of petrol is better off than
a person who makes US$40,000 a year but pays US$2.35 (a mere US$0.35 more)
for each gallon of petrol? Doesn't make that much sense, does it?
I'm tired of the usual banner of 'oil prices in Malaysia are still cheaper
when compared to others' every time price hikes take place. The government
must think we Malaysians are a bunch of donkeys. The fact is, despite the
mediocre education the government gives to most of us, we can actually do
simple maths. If the government had really done its job all these decades,
we would not be plagued by corruption and wastage and would be doing so
much better in the income and purchasing power departments. The issue of
oil subsidy would not even arise as we can then afford to pay for
unsubsidised fuel.
The government also launches into elaborate explanations as to why we need
to reduce subsidies for fuel and inject the salvaged money into ‘much
needed’ development. But since the past four or five price hikes, our
development has remained at that -‘ much needed’. Can anybody honestly say
that the public transportation system in our country has improved ever so
tremendously so as to finally allow us to depend on it to get to work, to
school, to the market, the court, the hospital, for meetings, etc?
Okay, so we understand the pressing economic need to put our money in
development, money which will otherwise be wasted away in fuel subsidies.
Understanding, however, does not put food on our tables. Despite our
comprehension of the economics of fuel subsidies, we still cannot make ends
meet. I'm not against the idea of development. It's just that for the past
18 months or so, petrol prices have increased about 40%, diesel prices
about 100% and I have not had 1% of increase in my pay. How, pray tell, am
I supposed to cope with this increase in the cost of living? The saying
goes that by the time you can make ends meet, they move the ends. In my
case, I was not even close to making the ends meet, and they have already
moved the ends.
For the benefit of Ooi, I present the typical monthly expenses of a
middle-income earner in Kuala Lumpur:
Salary: RM2,600 (after EPF and tax deductions)
Minus:
Housing: RM300
Car loan: RM500
Study loan: RM200
Phone and Internet: RM150
Insurance: RM180
Petrol (lives a distance away from KL to take advantage of lower house
rent) - new price: RM600
Toll: RM180
Salary left for food: RM490
No savings, no entertainment budget, no new clothing, not much to give the
family. And when the time is up for car insurance and road tax, credit card
debt is incurred. Please don't tell this person to take public transport.
First of all, public transport does not reach where he is living. Secondly,
I really would not dare to ask him to rely on the public transport to get
to work and meetings on time. If he is a lawyer, then he definitely does
not want to take public transport unless he doesn’t mind his cases being
struck out by the court due to his late appearance.
If that is the life of a middle-income earner, my heart really goes out to
the low-income earner.
I do not think Malaysians are being unreasonable about the hike in fuel
prices. Trying to make ends meet and making sure the family has enough food
is not unreasonable. Feeling desperate and angry when price hikes takes
away the ability to buy enough food for the family is not unreasonable.
Unreasonable is when one complains about having to buy less Gucci shoes.
Unreasonable is when one tells his countrymen to change their already
marginalised lifestyles when he himself is driven around in luxury cars
while living in mansions and having his petrol paid for by the rakyat's
taxmoney. Unreasonable is when one tells people earning less than RM1,000 a
month to tighten their already tight belts when he himself dines on the
finest food in the finest ambience.
Coming back to Ooi, since he had so selflessly offered advice to
spendthrift and inconsiderate petrol-gulping Malaysians to change their
lifestyle, allow me to reciprocate his kindness. My advice to Ooi is to
come back to Malaysia, make Malaysian ringgit and pay US$2 for a gallon of
petrol. Ooi can also practise what he preaches about reviewing 'our petrol
consumption patterns'. In saying this, Ooi joins Noor Yahaya Hamzah of New
Zealand in admonishing Malaysians over their reluctance to walk or ride a
bicycle instead of taking the car.
Notice how these people are always those who live outside Malaysia? They
give their patronising advice from their comfortable homes in First World
countries with First World incomes and comfortable climate. It would not be
so easy to mete out such generous advice if you were living in a Third
World developing nation with your Third World income and sweltering heat.
#
posted by :
March 07, 2006 6:40 PM
:
March 07, 2006 6:40 PM
S-kay:
The issue was never about oil prices. The issue was about vincent being an incredibly pompous arse as to insult those willing to go and protest what they percieve to be the unfair actions of the government levelling yet another price increase at the public whilst simultaneously failing to keep any of its election promises.
Swallow the price increase and shut up? Fuck you vincent. You think money grows on trees ah? I may not be a rich mans son like you where my main source of income comes from extending my hand to daddy, who also takes care of my car, housing and food; but I am reasonably well-off so yes I can absorb this petrol price increase. However I went and protested to make damn sure the govt knew how unhappy I was about the circumstances behind the petrol price increases, so that they would be less likely to pull the same shit again.
The issue was never about oil prices. The issue was about vincent being an incredibly pompous arse as to insult those willing to go and protest what they percieve to be the unfair actions of the government levelling yet another price increase at the public whilst simultaneously failing to keep any of its election promises.
Swallow the price increase and shut up? Fuck you vincent. You think money grows on trees ah? I may not be a rich mans son like you where my main source of income comes from extending my hand to daddy, who also takes care of my car, housing and food; but I am reasonably well-off so yes I can absorb this petrol price increase. However I went and protested to make damn sure the govt knew how unhappy I was about the circumstances behind the petrol price increases, so that they would be less likely to pull the same shit again.
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posted by :
March 07, 2006 11:32 PM
:
March 07, 2006 11:32 PM
your article clearly shows you lack maturity in your thinking. i feel that if you are going to publish your thoughts on a place where it is accessible to the public, you should at least be responsible enough to think before you put your thoughts down.
i could say so many things about your article but unfortunately, i am employed and therefore have to earn a living before i can impart my wisdom unto you.
however, in the future, please write somewhere near your computer that your brain was given to you for a reason and that you should use it, just in case you forget.
P/S - if being like this is just your modus operandi i.e to get more people to read your blog then i must take my hat off to you as you do seem to have a lot of readers... for fuck's sake even i came here and wasted my time posting a comment.. haha...
and it does seem as if you and the other bloggers have this whole syndicate going on whereby you pretend to hate each other to create more publicity.. well.. it does seem like it is working, and IF this is your master plan, i congratulate you for being so enterprising at such a young age.. you are selling what the people want. smart!
i could say so many things about your article but unfortunately, i am employed and therefore have to earn a living before i can impart my wisdom unto you.
however, in the future, please write somewhere near your computer that your brain was given to you for a reason and that you should use it, just in case you forget.
P/S - if being like this is just your modus operandi i.e to get more people to read your blog then i must take my hat off to you as you do seem to have a lot of readers... for fuck's sake even i came here and wasted my time posting a comment.. haha...
and it does seem as if you and the other bloggers have this whole syndicate going on whereby you pretend to hate each other to create more publicity.. well.. it does seem like it is working, and IF this is your master plan, i congratulate you for being so enterprising at such a young age.. you are selling what the people want. smart!
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posted by :
March 08, 2006 10:27 AM
:
March 08, 2006 10:27 AM
pardon me vince, but ... hehe
'i could say so many things about your article but unfortunately, i am employed and therefore have to earn a living before i can impart my wisdom unto you. '
THIS IS SHEER GENIUS LAH hheheheheheh i'm going to remember that line for a long time. hehehhe.
'i could say so many things about your article but unfortunately, i am employed and therefore have to earn a living before i can impart my wisdom unto you. '
THIS IS SHEER GENIUS LAH hheheheheheh i'm going to remember that line for a long time. hehehhe.
MUAHAHAHA!!!
young voices are the voice of the future. young man today are the leaders of tomorrow!!
so we dont give a fuc.king damn if u guys dont agree to us youngster's view, neither did we asked for your views in the first place!
vincent already stated in the disclaimer that this is HIS BLOG, and posts are his own statements an thoughts. HIS OWN BLARDY FARKIN' STATEMENTS & THOUGHTS ALONE!!!
which Engrish words of DISCLAIMER that u nitwits out there do not understand? U wont be so busy b*tching about HIS views unless ur engrish is powderful enuff to understand that this blog belongs to him and to hell with what u outsiders think!
do i have to ask outside ppl's permission if i wana go naked inside my house while the window is open? Fark u all buggers!
Youngsters Unite!
young voices are the voice of the future. young man today are the leaders of tomorrow!!
so we dont give a fuc.king damn if u guys dont agree to us youngster's view, neither did we asked for your views in the first place!
vincent already stated in the disclaimer that this is HIS BLOG, and posts are his own statements an thoughts. HIS OWN BLARDY FARKIN' STATEMENTS & THOUGHTS ALONE!!!
which Engrish words of DISCLAIMER that u nitwits out there do not understand? U wont be so busy b*tching about HIS views unless ur engrish is powderful enuff to understand that this blog belongs to him and to hell with what u outsiders think!
do i have to ask outside ppl's permission if i wana go naked inside my house while the window is open? Fark u all buggers!
Youngsters Unite!
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posted by :
March 08, 2006 11:05 AM
:
March 08, 2006 11:05 AM
well mr anonymous, first and foremost, if you want to criticise someone else's command of the english language, the least you could do is to make sure you don't sound like a pre-schooler who has spoken spanish all his life and has just heard his first english word.
1. young man today - i believe you are looking for the word MEN not MAN
2.
dont agree to us youngster's view - my gosh... 2 mistakes in this short phrase... your sentence needs to be restructured.
3. neither did we asked - another short phrase with 2 mistakes..
4. words of DISCLAIMER - words IN THE disclaimer
5. that u nitwits out there do not understand? - i don't even know where to begin
6. unless ur engrish is powderful enuff - don't you mean IF your english WAS
7. there are just too many...
and actually walking around naked inside your house with the windows open is an offence under the Penal Code, so you should not bother what we think but what the police and attorney-general think
it's a good thing you put yourself as anonymous.. i wouldn't want anyone to know who i was as well if i wrote like a kid. when you say youngsters do you mean those between the ages of 1 and 3?
and if you read my previous post carefully, i actually praised the writer of this blog. you on the other hand... well... should jump out of the open window at your house
1. young man today - i believe you are looking for the word MEN not MAN
2.
dont agree to us youngster's view - my gosh... 2 mistakes in this short phrase... your sentence needs to be restructured.
3. neither did we asked - another short phrase with 2 mistakes..
4. words of DISCLAIMER - words IN THE disclaimer
5. that u nitwits out there do not understand? - i don't even know where to begin
6. unless ur engrish is powderful enuff - don't you mean IF your english WAS
7. there are just too many...
and actually walking around naked inside your house with the windows open is an offence under the Penal Code, so you should not bother what we think but what the police and attorney-general think
it's a good thing you put yourself as anonymous.. i wouldn't want anyone to know who i was as well if i wrote like a kid. when you say youngsters do you mean those between the ages of 1 and 3?
and if you read my previous post carefully, i actually praised the writer of this blog. you on the other hand... well... should jump out of the open window at your house
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posted by :
March 08, 2006 12:20 PM
:
March 08, 2006 12:20 PM
http://khaitzer.blogspot.com/2006/03/oh-really.html
Something related, worth reading, funny.
Something related, worth reading, funny.
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posted by :
March 08, 2006 5:17 PM
:
March 08, 2006 5:17 PM
well mr.iiii... i did not claim my command of English language is as perfect as the Queen's, did i?
humm, if u felt the twang and burns of having eaten some chillies, serves you right!
oh, me was spraaken in common powderful Engrish in my previous post, so if u felt that i talked wrong wrong, it's your assumption, nobody asked u to be the Granmar teacher here.
by the way, quote me the "Penal Code" u mentioned... i'm quite interested to be Pen(al)ised by it.
humm, if u felt the twang and burns of having eaten some chillies, serves you right!
oh, me was spraaken in common powderful Engrish in my previous post, so if u felt that i talked wrong wrong, it's your assumption, nobody asked u to be the Granmar teacher here.
by the way, quote me the "Penal Code" u mentioned... i'm quite interested to be Pen(al)ised by it.
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posted by :
March 09, 2006 12:35 AM
:
March 09, 2006 12:35 AM
dear anonymous, when you insult someone else's command of the language, you are opening yourself to criticism... one of which maybe the old saying, the pot calling the kettle black.
i did not feel any burn from eating any chilli, all i felt was sympathy for someone who was clearly not blessed with much of a brain, i saw the need to help him mend his ways, but alas, the lack of a brain has clearly affected him to a point where he is beyond help. it is sort of like doing charity, because i am just nice that way!
i agree with you that nobody asked me to be the grammar teacher here, but once again this argument of yours shows your clear lack of maturity. let me explain why. no one asked you to come here and reply to my post. no one asks you to do half the things you do. but you do it. so please stop with the stupid childish arguments and use that tiny microscopic thing in the head which you think is a brain (if it is even usable).
chapter XIV of the penal code relates to offences against decency and morals. besides, in case you have not noticed, we come from an extremely conservative country, so please don't give me crap. it is a fact that judicial decisions are determined by political climate and culture at that particular time in that particular place.
i did not feel any burn from eating any chilli, all i felt was sympathy for someone who was clearly not blessed with much of a brain, i saw the need to help him mend his ways, but alas, the lack of a brain has clearly affected him to a point where he is beyond help. it is sort of like doing charity, because i am just nice that way!
i agree with you that nobody asked me to be the grammar teacher here, but once again this argument of yours shows your clear lack of maturity. let me explain why. no one asked you to come here and reply to my post. no one asks you to do half the things you do. but you do it. so please stop with the stupid childish arguments and use that tiny microscopic thing in the head which you think is a brain (if it is even usable).
chapter XIV of the penal code relates to offences against decency and morals. besides, in case you have not noticed, we come from an extremely conservative country, so please don't give me crap. it is a fact that judicial decisions are determined by political climate and culture at that particular time in that particular place.
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posted by :
March 09, 2006 6:59 PM
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March 09, 2006 6:59 PM
i'm so sad for you.
remember this?
"i could say so many things about your article but unfortunately, i am employed and therefore have to earn a living before i can impart my wisdom unto you."
go on continue your work. you're too busy to even notice a mindless brat here...
F.O.A.D.
remember this?
"i could say so many things about your article but unfortunately, i am employed and therefore have to earn a living before i can impart my wisdom unto you."
go on continue your work. you're too busy to even notice a mindless brat here...
F.O.A.D.
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posted by :
March 09, 2006 10:45 PM
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March 09, 2006 10:45 PM
please don't be sad for me. you have your own problems to worry about.
of course i remember what i said. once again your lack of a normal-sized brain has caused you to misunderstand a simple sentence.
where exactly did i say i was too busy to say anything? i just said that i have to keep it short, short as in less than 10,000 words.
do you see where i am coming from? if i were you i would stop posting because you are clearly fighting a lost cause.
i can see that you are somewhat acknowledging this fact by telling me to go away. got nothing left to say? worried that more people will see your immature arguments?
looks like my work here is done. please remember that you are in no way intelligent and therefore don't get into arguments with people more superior to you. this piece of advice could save you a lot of embarrassment once you start working. people like you just tag along and smile whenever other people talk... don't expose that huge weakness you have.
good day and good life my friend..
should you need more advice just keep on posting stupid things and i will find you sooner or later
of course i remember what i said. once again your lack of a normal-sized brain has caused you to misunderstand a simple sentence.
where exactly did i say i was too busy to say anything? i just said that i have to keep it short, short as in less than 10,000 words.
do you see where i am coming from? if i were you i would stop posting because you are clearly fighting a lost cause.
i can see that you are somewhat acknowledging this fact by telling me to go away. got nothing left to say? worried that more people will see your immature arguments?
looks like my work here is done. please remember that you are in no way intelligent and therefore don't get into arguments with people more superior to you. this piece of advice could save you a lot of embarrassment once you start working. people like you just tag along and smile whenever other people talk... don't expose that huge weakness you have.
good day and good life my friend..
should you need more advice just keep on posting stupid things and i will find you sooner or later
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posted by :
March 10, 2006 8:30 AM
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March 10, 2006 8:30 AM
iiii is an idiot to waste time arguing with an anonymous poster.
Since you're so bloody free you should be arguing with vincent instead and not stray off into ego wanking.
Since you're so bloody free you should be arguing with vincent instead and not stray off into ego wanking.
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posted by :
March 10, 2006 10:27 AM
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March 10, 2006 10:27 AM
malay, chinese, indians...
islam...jew...buddhists etc...
why did the superior-white-expat insult another religion in a totally non-relative issue in vince's post?
sorry to see your comment window turns out this way vince.
islam...jew...buddhists etc...
why did the superior-white-expat insult another religion in a totally non-relative issue in vince's post?
sorry to see your comment window turns out this way vince.
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posted by :
March 10, 2006 6:18 PM
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March 10, 2006 6:18 PM
Mr "Oh-so-great" iiii,
u brought much amusement to me for your relentless arguing with someone "less superior" than you are. shows ur mentality quite clearly.
wait, perhaps u're suffering from inferiority complex, insecurity, knowing very well that many more youngster are emerging from their coccoon day by day, and one of them are bound to replace you from your pedestal.
or perhaps u have been bullied when you're "younger" and now trying to do the same, just to pacify yourself...
either way, i'm sorry i cant help you here. i dont have the qualification to be either a psychologist or psychiatrist for you. i'm just too young to be one anyway...
Listen to this inexperienced young chap for once. You need professional help. Actual professionals.
F.O.A.D.
u brought much amusement to me for your relentless arguing with someone "less superior" than you are. shows ur mentality quite clearly.
wait, perhaps u're suffering from inferiority complex, insecurity, knowing very well that many more youngster are emerging from their coccoon day by day, and one of them are bound to replace you from your pedestal.
or perhaps u have been bullied when you're "younger" and now trying to do the same, just to pacify yourself...
either way, i'm sorry i cant help you here. i dont have the qualification to be either a psychologist or psychiatrist for you. i'm just too young to be one anyway...
Listen to this inexperienced young chap for once. You need professional help. Actual professionals.
F.O.A.D.
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posted by :
March 10, 2006 7:16 PM
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March 10, 2006 7:16 PM
fucking kid.
Talk like that in real life, guarantee you eat folded metal chairs for lunch.
Talk like that in real life, guarantee you eat folded metal chairs for lunch.
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posted by :
March 10, 2006 9:59 PM
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March 10, 2006 9:59 PM
yes, i do talk like that in real life. that's what youth gave me.
and no, i have not had folded metal chairs for lunch yet, thanks for your concern. so far i've only banged some ppl with wooden chair back then in Henry Gurney school, but not anymore... i'm already out of that school.
F.O.A.D.
and no, i have not had folded metal chairs for lunch yet, thanks for your concern. so far i've only banged some ppl with wooden chair back then in Henry Gurney school, but not anymore... i'm already out of that school.
F.O.A.D.
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posted by :
March 11, 2006 2:13 AM
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March 11, 2006 2:13 AM
haha... it's not cool to be a gangster man... another clear indication of immaturity... sigh
i must admit that i am sort of wasting my time arguing here but pride is one of my few weaknesses. plus, like i said earlier, i just feel really bad for you.
you went to the henry gurney school? all my questions have been answered by that statement. i worked with juvenile delinquents like you recently, giving them advice (not religious, but as to their human rights) and i realised that most of them were abused (sexually or otherwise) by their parents as kids. my deepest sympathy goes out to you.
should you need any advice on your rights under the law in malaysia kindly contact me here. i will be waiting for your queries.
and to the other anonymous poster, why should i argue with vincent when i don't disagree with him? do you understand the concept of an argument? perhaps you should look up the dictionary. like i have said before, look into my first post, see the bottom part, i have an idea of what his MO is. i sort of get his sarcasm. perhaps you should tell the anonymous gangster to keep his nose out of posts not directed at him. wouldn't that make more sense? i bet you feel kind of stupid now huh.
i must admit that i am sort of wasting my time arguing here but pride is one of my few weaknesses. plus, like i said earlier, i just feel really bad for you.
you went to the henry gurney school? all my questions have been answered by that statement. i worked with juvenile delinquents like you recently, giving them advice (not religious, but as to their human rights) and i realised that most of them were abused (sexually or otherwise) by their parents as kids. my deepest sympathy goes out to you.
should you need any advice on your rights under the law in malaysia kindly contact me here. i will be waiting for your queries.
and to the other anonymous poster, why should i argue with vincent when i don't disagree with him? do you understand the concept of an argument? perhaps you should look up the dictionary. like i have said before, look into my first post, see the bottom part, i have an idea of what his MO is. i sort of get his sarcasm. perhaps you should tell the anonymous gangster to keep his nose out of posts not directed at him. wouldn't that make more sense? i bet you feel kind of stupid now huh.
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posted by :
March 11, 2006 10:10 AM
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March 11, 2006 10:10 AM
If you do not respect your readers, then no one is obligated to respect you or your background.
It is a free for all slugfest.
It is a free for all slugfest.
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posted by :
March 11, 2006 10:38 PM
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March 11, 2006 10:38 PM
yes, i have graduated from henry gurney, but no, i was not abused, sexually or otherwise.
what i did was just being myself, stayed true to myself and i have no need to pretend to be what i am not. and if that includes what ppl sees as arrogant, trouble-maker attitude, that's their problem. i am no under obligation to please anybody.
that being said, i guess that explains my "weak" grammar in English, according to holier-than-thou "perfectionist" like you, yet it is exactly the same reason i oppose to such society. i am merely an individualist and "they" send me to HG for it.
nonetheless, i would consider myself an excellent graduate of henry gurney's. have u seen any henry gurney students that speaks "average" english like me?
some ppl MAY need ur help, mr.iii1, but for me, i am merely enjoying MY youth and not spending anyone else's, thus u dont have to trouble urself to butt ur nose into my affairs.
as i said, i'm an individualist. i reserve the right to have my own opinions, views and actions on things which may not satisfy the "general public". and i guard that right ferociously. and i believe that's what Vincent is doing in this blog of his.
at times, u have to understand and accept the person as he/she really is, instead trying to mould him/her according to what you believe is right for them. you dont set ppl's path and destiny. u're not God.
having finished this comment, i'm moving on. perhaps i'll drop by once in a while, but hey, butting my nose into and trying to have a say in everyone else's life is so not me, you know?
F.O.A.D
what i did was just being myself, stayed true to myself and i have no need to pretend to be what i am not. and if that includes what ppl sees as arrogant, trouble-maker attitude, that's their problem. i am no under obligation to please anybody.
that being said, i guess that explains my "weak" grammar in English, according to holier-than-thou "perfectionist" like you, yet it is exactly the same reason i oppose to such society. i am merely an individualist and "they" send me to HG for it.
nonetheless, i would consider myself an excellent graduate of henry gurney's. have u seen any henry gurney students that speaks "average" english like me?
some ppl MAY need ur help, mr.iii1, but for me, i am merely enjoying MY youth and not spending anyone else's, thus u dont have to trouble urself to butt ur nose into my affairs.
as i said, i'm an individualist. i reserve the right to have my own opinions, views and actions on things which may not satisfy the "general public". and i guard that right ferociously. and i believe that's what Vincent is doing in this blog of his.
at times, u have to understand and accept the person as he/she really is, instead trying to mould him/her according to what you believe is right for them. you dont set ppl's path and destiny. u're not God.
having finished this comment, i'm moving on. perhaps i'll drop by once in a while, but hey, butting my nose into and trying to have a say in everyone else's life is so not me, you know?
F.O.A.D
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posted by :
March 12, 2006 11:21 PM
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March 12, 2006 11:21 PM
FOAD
You can do whatever you like, but when your actions encroach the freedom of others, of course people will bite back.
Like what Vincent did. You don't slap someone and expect to get away with it.
You end up like Darren Kang, dead and buried.
By all means, go ahead and practice your freedom, but as in every action, there's a reaction. Vincent's freedom to insult the public, naturally gets the reaction of the public insulting him back.
Common sense, it's that simple. You get your freedom, others get theirs as well. Freedom to piss off people invites the freedom of others to beat you up.
That's why we don't go around insulting or picking fights with people with our mouths. ;-)
You should know that, of all people.
You can do whatever you like, but when your actions encroach the freedom of others, of course people will bite back.
Like what Vincent did. You don't slap someone and expect to get away with it.
You end up like Darren Kang, dead and buried.
By all means, go ahead and practice your freedom, but as in every action, there's a reaction. Vincent's freedom to insult the public, naturally gets the reaction of the public insulting him back.
Common sense, it's that simple. You get your freedom, others get theirs as well. Freedom to piss off people invites the freedom of others to beat you up.
That's why we don't go around insulting or picking fights with people with our mouths. ;-)
You should know that, of all people.
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posted by :
March 12, 2006 11:31 PM
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March 12, 2006 11:31 PM
Is the author of the article even aware of corruption issues?
What he said is true - only in a healthy government.
And about the Chief Executive of the bank: He'd know his stuff better than the author. And I believe that he is right; I have relatives who have reached the top of G corporations only to be smacked by skin colour issues.
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What he said is true - only in a healthy government.
And about the Chief Executive of the bank: He'd know his stuff better than the author. And I believe that he is right; I have relatives who have reached the top of G corporations only to be smacked by skin colour issues.
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March 13, 2006 3:33 PM
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March 13, 2006 3:33 PM
