Tuesday, September 25, 2007
idiot watch, episode 103258
This picture appeared in The Star's thumbnail section on 8th September. The thumbnail section is actually a section where people send in 'weird' or 'interesting' photos along with a caption and the photo of the day wins a cool RM50. Below this picture was the actual caption sent by the person who took the picture.
So what do you think?
I think, from people's reaction to weird stuff, you can tell a lot about the person. Here, I can categorise people into 3 distinctive groups. But before you read on, go back and have a look at the picture and do me a favour and formulate your own opinion, will you?
If you are someone who looked at the picture and the caption and then agreed with it, you belong in this first group. You probably also mumbled out "What a waste of the rakyat's money!" or "Abandoned project! Which corrupt minister pocketed all the money?" or "Cracked highway!". However, you forgot to say, "I am a fucking idiot" because that is what you are.
Chances are, in this online blogosphere world thingy, most of you belong in this group. You read something and you are prejudiced by whatever you want to make out of it. I specifically told you to look at the picture and formulate your own opinion, but unfortunately, you are too big an idiot to do that, so instead you latched on to another idiot's opinion and believed it immediately. You do nothing but moan about everything when in fact you know nuts.
However, if you belong to the second group, you're not too bad. You would have looked at the picture and thought, "Heh, this is weird...but surely there's an explaination. Wait, let me go ask somebody" That's fine. At least you have a positive outlook in life compared to the miserably depressed pessimists from Group One. You acknowledge your lack of knowledge (or brainpower) and you keep an open mind and try to get the answer from someone more knowledgeable. You realise that there are somethings beyond your understanding but that doesn't mean those things are automatically wrong. So, read more and open up to more possibilities and you might just learn something new everyday.
And then of course, if you saw the thing and thought, "Hey! I know what that thing was made like that!" then welcome to the third group. Like me, *ahem* you look at the picture and realise - shit, that's not an abandoned project. That's not a result of poor budgeting or horrible planning. In fact, that 'highway to nowhere' is actually an example of awesome planning and foresight!
As the idiot who sent in the photo so cleverly pointed out, it is a flyover OVER a highway. In the future (5, maybe even 10 years time) when you decide to develop the surrounding area and you need to build a road or bridge over it, you cannot afford to shut the whole highway for a few months while you build something over it, can you? Hence, anybody with a farsighted vision would have built the bridge together with the highway, thus eliminating that problem in the future. So in essense, the 'highway to nowhere' is actually a result of someone actually having the brains to look 10 years into the future, but it gets slagged off by idiots who lack similar brainpower.
So which group do you belong to then? Seriously, the problem with a lot of Malaysians is that they are not trained to formulate their own opinions and tend to follow the herd without a critical thought process. It does nothing for the country because they tend to moan and groan about everything without thinking for a second that there probably is a reason behind peculiarities. Time to change, people! You aren't always right (unless you are me) so shut your gob and go ask around before you rip into something you don't understand.
Learnt something new today, didn't you?
But it is weird for them to build just that and leave it.. but I hail from JB where there's a lot of abandoned or failed projects around. That.. do not faze me.
"I should buy that structure and rent it out as advertising space."
Which group do I belong to? LOL
By the way, a structure like that can pull up to $300k (guesstimate) per side per year, depending on traffic volume on that particular highway.
The reason I ask is because it could be an abandoned project - or not...
TJ: And you would be sadly mistaken because at the moment that highway is drastically under utilised.
jeevs: Based on the fact that I am a bloody genius and hence, my judgment is always right. And also based on the fact that I am a bloody awesome engineer and would have done the same thing myself.
Vince:But that differs from the main point, is it or is it not abandoned?
With all due respect to you genius and awesomeness, how do you substantiate your position and more importantly, what makes nothing otherwise?
Okay that place is literally my kampung. As you can (partially) see from the picture, there is NOTHING on either side. Nothing to link the bridge to. It's nothing but swamps.
You read the news about East Coast development plan, right? This is part of it. That highway will one day be as busy as the North South highway. It used to take people 5 hours to drive from KL to Kuantan.
Today it takes 3 hours. The portion you see there is the link between Kuantan and Kuala Terengganu. One day when the whole area is developed that flyover will link both sides of the highway. So like I said, you can't close a busy highway just to build an overhead flyover right?
Till then, wait for it la. And also you need to trust engineers when they tell you they know what they are doing.
perhaps this is just another way for unscrupulous engineers who try to make themselves out to be bloody awesome engineers to make some extra money.
Like the 'mild inconvenience' hanging over the federal highway causing that extra traffic jam near the clock tower??
This is the typical Malaysian behaviour. When things are not done properly or planned correct, people bitch about it. But when it is done properly, people still find excuses to bitch (usually political excuses).
This isn't a politics, you fucking moron. This is simply engineers and town planners doing their freaking job right.
YOU fucking moron, i know this isn't "a politics". my question was, what happens if terengganu falls back into PAS's hands? i think the likelihood of that flyover being needed in those circumstances decrease substantially. and then what happens? we let tigerjoe put up a signboard there?
also, you failed to respond to my question on the estimated cost of putting up something like that? do you not know mr. bloody awesome engineer?
Swamps? So what? You can build on swamps too, you know. 15 years ago Sunway was an abandoned mining pond that nobody wanted. See what it is today?
And who cares if it falls in to PAS hands? Terengganu has been, and is still going to be Malaysia's cash cow from all that oil and gas. If you want investors to come in, obviously the roads have to be up first.
All I am saying is when people have the vision to plan ahead, and when you have the intellectual power of an amoeba, you should just shut the fuck up and let people do their job.
further, i stated that if the GOVERNMENT is 100% sure, then they should go ahead. i didn't ask you whether YOU know it is 100% sure, i merely stated that the government cannot be 100% sure. we are talking about calculated risks my dear genius engineer. a dumb engineer who mistakenly believes he is a genius will take uncalculated risks for the purposes of showing off his foresight.
probabilities and calculated risks are what i am talking about. perhaps engineers aren't trained to think of other circumstances, and instead have one-track minds. or maybe it's just you. i have a sneaky feeling it's the latter.
also, your sunway example is totally irrelevant. sunway is 20 minutes from kl, and terengganu is 6 hours away. the fact that sane people are moving further and further away from places like terengganu etc and moving to kl suggests that more land is needed here, and less there. this also serves to prove the drop in the likelihood of the bridge to nowhere ever being utilised.
and what about our depleting petroleum in terengganu? what happens when it runs dry? are you going to recommend the refinery be turned into a petroleum museum, and as such the roads will still be heavily utilised (as many people are exteremly interested in petrol)?
and what investors are going in to terengganu? doesn't petronas own all the rights to the petrol here? (THIS i am unsure of)
Hence the idea would be different and that piece of extra bridge would cause problems for the future engineer's plans. You cant just combine structures like lego. Excavation on the swamp in the future might weaken the soil and cause the bridge to collapse.
So what's the point of wasting so much money when there's so much uncertainty?
So here, listen up!
Every fucking thing is uncertain. If you are only going to build things when you are 100% certain then don't bother building things at all. Why build a house now? Hey, it might be cheaper in 10 years time you know!
This is where you urbanites are so full of yourself it's not even funny. This country doesn't orbit around KL you know. There is need for development elsewhere moron. And before you can have development, you need roads to attract investors. You mentioned that Terengganu is 6 hours away. It isn't you moron. You can get to Kemaman from KL in under 4 hours. Thank God morons like you aren't in the government. So you propose to just develop KL and ignore the rest of the country?! And if you are going to do everything in the fear that petroleum is going to dry up tomorrow, again, let's not build anything shall we? Let's close all the oil companies and go back to the stoneage.
Seriously dude. Go back to school and learn some stuff, aite? Stop talking about shit which you are clueless about. Take a drive to the East Coast. The petroleum industry doesn't just revolve around Petronas you know. There are loads of oil and gas companies in Malaysia and a good number of them are foreign. Perhaps you are also unaware of petrochemical plants?
Aiyah, my fingers are tired. Go and educate yourself with Google or something.
and yes, roads do attract investors, you are right. look at putrajaya. now that was a really good investment. another piece of evidence that vincent has MCA aspirations. build build build.
i do not propose to develop kl and not the rest of the country, but we should develop it at a pace that matches the potential of that particular place, mr MCA. you cant be putting up skyscrapers in kelantan and justifying it by saying that "we have to develop the rest of the country". at the end of the day, it has to be justified.
4 hours, 6 hours, doesn't it all depend on traffic and speed? MORON.
petrowhatical plants? what the hell is that? please teach me, moron.
Seriously man, why do you say 'rakyat' when you actually mean 'ME' ??
I give up. People like you are impossible to educate when your only objective in an argument is your own political agenda.
once they are no longer living in poverty, then we shall move on planning for the future.
i have no political agenda but it seems that you have one.
i don't even vote because i feel that 99% of our politicians are not worth voting for. to me voting is choosing the candidate who you believe in, but in malaysia, voting is choosing the lesser of the 2 evils.
How do you plan to eradicate poverty? By giving the kampung folk RM1000 a month?!?
"Give me a fish, I eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I eat for a lifetime."
Surely anybody with the slightest bit of cow sense knows that in order to develop people, you need to start new industries in that area to create jobs for the people. And how do you create jobs if not for developing the area? You are an idiot if you think poverty can be eradicated in 1 or 2 years - or even 5 years. These things are a process, and the steps taken are correct.
Perhaps you should go back to school and study Social Science 101. But before you do that, perhaps you would like to read the post before this.
Btw, you fit under the category of 'moronic opposition'.
what could be done is to develop areas that have potential NOW, and not in a few years. things have to be done now, vincent. you cannot behave like a government servant and keep putting things off.
you are right. there is a process. one must learn to crawl before he can run. on the same token, we should be focussing on the smaller and simpler things first or else we risk having many white elephants all over the country. only once the economy is up to a certain standard can we start thinking of bigger projects.
and by the way, the words "moron", "idiot" and "cow sense" do nothing to enhance your argument.
Of course things have to be done NOW. We should be a developed country NOW. And eradicate poverty NOW. Just blink your eyes and these things are done.
But that's not how things work, MORON. Things like this don't happen instantly. It takes planning, over a long period of time. Hence, my whole point all over again. Road first. Investors come in, then you have industries, then you can build more roads.
There comes a time when I just give up educating fools, and when people don't want to learn, the only thing I can do is wave my hand and go "Bah!"
So here I go.
i agreed with you that it does not happen instantly, and i agreed with you that we have to take it 1 step at a time. all i said is that your 1st step is not suitable taking into account the current infrastructure and economic status in that particular area.
when i say things have to be done NOW, i did not say that tomorrow there must not be any more poor people in the country, i am saying that we must start taking the CORRECT steps towards eradicating it NOW. we cannot take steps that only start to move into action in 5 years time. we need to take steps that start the gears moving NOW, so that we can see results sooner. somehow you fail to understand simple concepts, and yet you can brag about being a genius. if you understood my argument but disagreed, i would still respect you. but unfortunately, you are just too full of propaganda.
Earning the respect of a fucking moron isn't exactly top of my priorities.
However, educating your type (idiots, I mean) is quite high up my priority list. Not the top though, so there comes a time when I just give up and let the recalcitrant ones fester in their own filth of stupidity.
i agreed with certain points you made, but not the conclusions you drew from them. once again, your failure to understand something slightly deeper than a puddle puzzles me.
john doe, if i knew that, i would be travelling around spreading the word man, but i don't. however, i can tell you what is NOT correct, as in some cases it is painfully obvious that only certain bloggers (and unidentifiable commentators) will somehow miss it.
here's the score:
anonymous 1, vince 0
*Obviously you have problem understanding a piece from someone smarter than you, and u're starting to act like a 4-year-old with a mentality, "i don't care, u lose, u lose... (and starts being ignorant)"